Anonymous ID: 021c62 Boatfagging Q&A April 25, 2020, 7:17 p.m. No.42185   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

Boatfagging 101

 

This thread is a companion of Planefagging 101 and intended to assist /qr/ and /qrb/ as a resource for links and analysis of vessel traffic, including military, merchant and private vessels.

 

Questions concerning vessel tracking and maritime matters are welcome from all.

 

If you have a resource for tracking, please drop the link in your post with a short description line about it. Feel free to include a longer summary and instructions on use after the description.

 

All boatfags (and planefags!) are welcome to post their opinions on traffic analysis. Non-boatfag responses opinions are also welcome if you think you have some insight that is useful.

 

Fair Winds and Following Seas, o7.

 

Please do not forget to salute the flag and the quarterdeck on your way down the brow, Patriots.

 

Giantkiller out.

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 7:33 p.m. No.42186   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2262

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-36.9/centery:27.8/zoom:2

Marine Traffic is a great website for tracking vessels.

 

It will identify known ships/boats if you click on them, if unknown it will generally state the type of vessel if known.

 

https://www.vesselfinder.com/

Vessel Finder is a very similar alternative to Marine Traffic.

 

It uses pretty much the same data, although its database of known ships may vary slightly (I personally haven't found variance yet, but I'd bet it exists somewhere.)

 

https://www.myshiptracking.com/

My Ship Tracking

 

Again, it's using similar data to the other two posted above. Not as familiar with it.

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 7:38 p.m. No.42187   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

House Trackers

 

Cargo lines are known as "houses", such as MSC, Cosco, Maersk, Evergreen, etc.

 

Houses usually have their own website for checking their own house ship locations. Sometimes those sites will have a little more publicly available data on their own house ships, such as up-to-date speed, course, and destination. Most also have a cargo tracking function, but that is usually either a "pay" function or you have to have a tracking number for the cargo you want to follow.

 

Something to keep in mind if you're interested in a civilian commercial vessel. No links provided, it's a pretty easy dig. Questions welcomed on this topic.

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 8:01 p.m. No.42188   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

Vessel Finders and Registries

 

If you're interested in a particular vessel, it may be in a database for some of the marine vessel trackers. Usually they have a "search by name" function, but some also have separate vessel finder websites. Here are a couple:

 

https://www.myshiptracking.com/vessels

My Ship Tracking Vessel Database

 

https://www.vesseltracker.com/en/vessels.html

Vessel Tracker Shipping Database

 

For cruise ships, you can also use this as both a finder and tracker:

https://www.cruisin.me/cruise-ship-tracker/

 

~or~

 

https://www.livecruiseshiptracker.com/

 

~or~

 

https://sailwx.info/shiptrack/cruiseships.phtml

 

For vessels near-shore, you may want to use the radar tracker here:

https://www.radar-live.com/p/ship-radar.html

 

Many yachts are owned or leased by owners to companies that rent them for vacations, etc. These rental companies my also provide some information about "their" yacht locations, but that's spotty at best.

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 8:23 p.m. No.42189   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

Basic Ship Recognition pt 1

 

How to determine ship types at a glance.

 

Commercial Ships - the vast majority of ships being commercial, they can be broken down into the following categories:

 

Container Ships - these are the big ships that look like they have semi-trailer type (or box-car type) boxes stacked on top of them. Those boxes are known as "Conex Boxes".

 

Tankers - these are wide, large ships with a smooth deck and several skinny cranes on them. Look for lots of pipes running on the top of the deck. Usually it's pretty obvious that a tanker ship is a tanker. Some will say LNG for "Liquid Natural Gas" and may have a round structure on top that looks similar to an oversized propane tank on a gas grill (these things are basically floating fuel air explosive bombs).

 

Bulk Carriers - bulk carriers CAN be confused with oilers since they are flat and have cranes, but the difference is that you will see what looks like big box-top squares on the top. These are doors to the holds of the ship. Bulk carriers carry things like iron ore, corn, coal and other items that can just be dumped into the holds.

 

Car Carriers - these are huge wall-sided ships that basically look like a floating shoe box. They carry cars and vehicles. When you see one your first thought will be, "How does that thing keep from tipping over?"

 

Ro-Ro (for Roll-On, Roll-Off Cargo) Ships - I know, it sounds a lot like a car carrier. It's not, although some of them look a lot like car carriers and work about the same way. You can tell a Ro-Ro by a weird fold-up ramp at the stern (back end) of the ship. The ramp is sometimes diagonal when folded up vertically. Aside from the weird ass-end, the ferry service ro-ro's tend to look more like container ships towards the bow.

 

Pics of all 5 included.

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 8:29 p.m. No.42190   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

Basic Ship Recognition, pt 2

 

Smaller cargo vessels are referred to as Coasters because they usually travel along the coast.

 

Other vessel types are Tugs and Auxiliaries. Tugs are exactly what they sound like. Auxiliaries are usually work boats.

 

Barges are obvious. However, they usually are not pulled by tugs, but are pushed by Pusher Boats.

 

Pic showing the difference between a round-bowed tug and a pusher boat attached.

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 8:44 p.m. No.42191   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

Basic Ship Recognition, pt 3

 

As far as the US Navy is concerned, merchant vessels can be generally categorized into 3 groups shown in the pic. This allows more generalized identification of merchants when the observer can't be certain of type.

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 8:58 p.m. No.42192   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

Basic Visual Signals

 

For ships that are physically observed (this happened not too long ago with the USNS Mercy), questions arose concerning flags.

 

There is a great resource here:

 

https://www.navy.mil/navydata/communications/flags/flags.html

 

This shows all of the signal flags, their letter or number and their common international code meaning.

Keep in mind that, depending on what is being used, the flags can mean either the international code (the international code pennant will be flown above it, if so), the letter, or it can be part of a signal that has a secret Navy code assigned.

 

When you see a US Navy ship that has four flags flying on the outer side, and the TOP flag is a blue and white checkered flag (the letter "N" or November), that is the ship's 4-letter international call sign.

 

For instance, the 4-letter international call sign for the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) is NABE...yes, when feasible, the Navy likes to make the call sign relate to the ship.

 

A list of international call signs (US and many other countries) up to date as of 2009 can be found here:

 

https://www.p530-daphne.dk/Downloads/call%20sign%20book%20for%20ships.pdf

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 9:14 p.m. No.42193   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

Boatfag Reporting Tips pt 1

 

Like Planefagging, if you're gonna boatfag it is a must to back your written report up with a screen cap (or as many as necessary to get your point across). I recommend a browser extension for screen captures that will also allow you to highlight, draw lines, arrows, circles, etc., so you can make marks to indicate what you're talking about in your written report. I use "Snapshot" in my Opera browser.

 

Sometimes, you may need to take a "wide angle" cap of a larger area and then focus in on a smaller area with one or two more caps to really explain what you're seeing, if it involves multiple vessels. From a "zoomed out" view, ships close together can overlap so much that it looks like one ship...you get the point.

 

Boatfagging is SLOW. It's not quick-action stuff like Planefagging, so it helps to "hand off" a tracked vessel to other Boatfags and ask Bakers to put out a call for future Boatfags to keep eyes on, if it's important. Use your best judgment, but keep in mind that the USNS Mercy tied to the pier in NYC day after day is not grounds for an "eyes on" call. Just keep an eye on it as part of your daily routine.

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 9:31 p.m. No.42194   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

Boatfag Reporting Tips pt 2

 

When making a Boatfag report, a basic report should contain all of the following whenever possible:

 

  1. The name of the ship you're tracking, or if it is unknown, the suspected name. If you have no idea, call it a "Skunk". That's the USN lingo.

  2. The heading of the ship. A specific bearing is great (i.e. "heading 270 degrees"), but if you don't have the info, then use major compass bearings (i.e. "N, NNE, NE, ENE, E," etc.). If you know "points", that's cool, but I suggest you refrain - don't get jiggy with it, please. Most folks don't know that shit. Heck, you may want to spell out "Northeast" instead of using the NE abbreviation, but let's figure anons will get the gist of it. Remember your audience.

  3. If the bearing is changing (a turn, a circle, etc.), say "Looks like she is turning port/starboard/circling".

  4. Next, report the ship's speed. If your target ship is not moving, it is considered Dead In the Water. I suggest you say, "Not moving," since DIW might alarm folks. If you say it or abbreviate "DIW", expect to have to explain that.

  5. Type of ship, if known. If unknown, base your report on your best understanding of what it is. You'll have to speculate, so make it your best educated guess but don't go too far. If it's a "US Government vessel" as a lot of Navy ships are reported, and it has aircraft around it, that does not necessarily mean it's an aircraft carrier. Most ships can land helicopters. However, if you see a Planefag report of a C-2 cargo plane coming to a stop in mid-ocean right on top of the ship you're tracking, that IS an aircraft carrier (they are the only ones that can handle arrested landings of fixed-wing aircraft).

  6. Destination, if known.

  7. A brief description of what the ship appears to be doing based on information you know. For instance, if your target ship is tracking back and forth of the San Diego coast and there is a report of a plane going down in that area, it's safe to say your target is conducting a search. Again, if you don't know, it's ok to speculate but please do so based on sound inferences from other known information. Avoid wild ass guesses, please.

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 9:40 p.m. No.42195   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

Boatfag Reporting Tips pt 3

 

Since ships do not move very fast compared to aircraft, sometimes it will be necessary to explain what you're seeing based on your observations over time. When your target is near land (which for us will usually be the case), it is helpful to relate where your target is located by reference to landmarks. For instance, when the USNS Mercy first moored in the lower harbor in NYC, it was reported as being about 1 nm from a bridge. That's helpful for anons because they can go to google maps (or whatever) and take a look for themselves to see what else is around the area.

 

That's also a wise move for Boatfags, too. You can look and see what is in the area and that can also help you in another way - in many harbors, there are public cameras all over the place! Do a quick search on google for live cams in the area and you may just be able to find a feed that puts you eyeballs-on your target ship. In addition, just like aircraft can sometimes "highlight" a location for anons to focus on, it is possible that a ship may do the same. Look for names/locations that have drawn attention in Q research in the past as best as you remember, or check in qresear.ch for it if you're not sure.

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 9:53 p.m. No.42196   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

Responding to Contact Reports from Anons

 

If you get a query about a ship from anons, try to help out if you can by checking for them. We're specialists in Q Research, so when people ask us for help we should always be willing to try.

 

If an anon posts a report about a ship the anon observed, do the who/what/when/where to try and extract as much info from the anon as you can (without doxing, of course). Anons may be uninterested in giving exact location info, so at least try to get the harbor area.

 

A big deal in digging out info from any contact report will be finding out the kind of ship. If it's a commercial ship, try to get the name of the "house" which should be shown on the side (e.g., Maersk, Cosco, Wallenius, Evergreen), and if we're lucky hopefully the anon caught the ship's name, too. If it's a yacht it will be almost pointless without the name - passenger liners, though, should be easier because most people recognize them and identifying their sailings are pretty easy to do.

 

Also, get the port, whether the ship looked like it was coming or going, and the time it was observed. You should be able to take it from there and find a specific vessel that matches up with a little digging.

 

For Navy ships, that can be much tougher. Anons can generally identify aircraft carrier-type ships (keep in mind there are aircraft carriers and then amphibious ships that look like carriers because they also have aircraft), but may not be able to tell much difference between a destroyer and a command ship. Local newspapers usually report "big" departures (destroyers or larger) - that might make your job easier.

 

When you've gathered enough information that you think you can make a proper Boatfag Report from an anon's contact report, go for it.

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 10:07 p.m. No.42197   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

You're Ready To Sail

 

A few final details to keep in mind...

 

  1. If you're reporting ships close to each other or land, it may make sense to use a scale of yards. Otherwise, nautical miles (nm) is appropriate. Remember that 1nm = almost 2000 yds (2,025.37 to be exact).

  2. If you're looking at a "Government vessel" in an area, make it a routine habit to ask Planefags to take a look and see what is in the area overhead.

  3. Keep an eye on the weather in the area of your target vessel. It can affect what your target is doing, so knowing that will help inform you about its activities.

  4. Be aware (or look for - or ask other anons, many have a good amount of knowledge) of military bases, especially Navy and Marine Corps bases, near your target vessel. For instance, you will see a number of vessels near San Clemente Island off the California coast near San Diego. San Clem is a training area for SEALS. Aside from general practice, they also use that area for practicing specific upcoming operations that are in a maritime environment.

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 25, 2020, 10:09 p.m. No.42198   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

Anchors Aweigh

 

That's it from me!

 

One final thing - I used Red Text on each heading, so if you get a question that relates to something you can either click on the link or just write the heading in as a reference if you remember, in case you get to reading and get buried down the thread.

 

Happy hunting.

Anonymous ID: 3bb63c April 26, 2020, 10:55 p.m. No.42206   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2208

Welcome boatfags!

/qrb/ is a nice slow board, which is probably why you're here. This thread will last a long, long time.

Come visit us on /qrb/ general if you have a mind. Board is comfy, anons like deep digs and good conversation. Current baker is into map-fagging and transportation grids, so totally down with both boat- and plane-fagging. Dedicated a /qr/ bread to each last month as a tribute.

  • o7

Anonymous ID: 021c62 April 27, 2020, 7:20 a.m. No.42208   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>42206

 

Much appreciated, Bakes. I've been a /qrb/ anon since 8bit unlocked it during Notables Creek (not meaning to sorta famefag but I'm kinda proud to be the first guy to post prayer here in our first official bread).

 

Brought Boatfagging here since the PF's have their Q&A hosted with us, it just seemed appropriate - and definitely a quieter place to do earnest discussion without having to fight thru the shillery.

 

Much appreciate your mapping and transpo skills, too! Have a great day

Anonymous ID: f92b1b May 1, 2020, 9:34 p.m. No.42262   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>42186

vesselfinder.com I have found tends to lag behind the other sites.

 

https://www.marinetraffic.com I prefer as initial contact/port scanning but more times than not the owner name and some other details will be behind the paywall upgrade. There is also a tendency on the site to not keep port call history very long. https://www.myshiptracking.com/ is the one I use when doing screencaps on port calls as the history record there is usually detailed and covers a longer period. This site is also very good when ships are inport or very near land as zooming in much better detail of land features like road names comes up. One drawback is the site is partial to searching by the vessel's IMO number.

 

When I'm interested in a ships owner/operator I've found http://www.vesseltracking.net/ to be very helpful. Again here IMO or MMSI number would be the preferred way to pull up info on a vessel.

 

Another useful maritime site is https://www.fleetmon.com/ that can be much more useful than vesselfinder.com but be advised the images of the vessels there would have come from marinetraffic.com more often than not.

Anonymous ID: df54e2 May 19, 2020, 1:27 p.m. No.42284   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

Boatfag Watch Ops - Yacht Tracking - Last Known Location Reports

 

Roman Abramovich - Eclipse (Bermuda) 1009613, 310593000 โ€“ 1nm NW Gustavia Harbor, St. Barts as of 05/19/20; appears to be at anchor

 

Al Waleed bin Talal - Kingdom 5-KR (Saudi Arabia) 1002213, 403299000 โ€“ San Remo Harbor, Italy as of 05/19/20; appears to be moored to the breakwater pier at Rotonda di Porto Sole (harbor entrance)

 

Les Wexner - Limitless (USA) 8975940, 368444000 โ€“ Rybovich Marina, West Palm Beach FL as of 04/13/20; moored to the pier, position not has not updated for 1+ months

 

--nearby yachts on tracking in this marina: Vibrant Curiosity, Gladiator, Aquarius

 

Steven Spielberg - Seven Seas (Cayman Is.) 1010777, 319729000 - Rybovich Marina, West Palm

Beach FL as of 05/19/20; listed as underway at 4kts in the Intracostal Waterway

 

Paul Allen (Estate) - Dragonfly (Cayman Is.) 1010454, 319313000 โ€“ Gold Coast City Marina, Gold Coast, Australia (just south of Brisbane) as of 05/19/20; appears to be moored to the quay

 

Nat Rothschild - Planet Nine (Malta) 1009716, 248739000 โ€“ Monaco Marine, La Ciotat, France (about 15 miles west of Toulon) as of 05/19/20; appears to be moored to the quay

 

-- nearby yachts on tracking in this marina: Idynasty, Hokulani

 

Barry Diller - EOS (Cayman Is.) 9377456, 503108100 โ€“ Royal Prince Alfred Yacht Club, Newport, Australia (about 20 miles northeast of Sydney) as of 05/19/20; appears to be moored to the pier

 

Sergey Brin - Octopus (Cayman Is.) 1007213, 319866000 โ€“ Monaco Marine, Marseille, France as of 05/19/20; moored to the breakwater quayside

 

-- nearby yachts on tracking in this marina: Royal Romance

 

Charter??? - G3 (Cayman Is.) 9508237, 319355000 โ€“ Harbor Bay Marina, Nassau, Bahamas as of 05/19/20; moored to the pier

 

Carlos Slim - Ostar (Cayman Is.) 1006180, 319354000 โ€“ Marina Costa Baja, La Paz, Mexico (near the Baja Peninsula southern tip) as of 05/19/20; moored to the quay

 

Eric Schmidt - Gladiator (British Virgin Is.) 1010569, 378326000 - Rybovich Marina, West Palm Beach FL as of 05/19/20; appears to be nested with two other yachts

 

Larry Ellison - Musashi (Cayman Is.) 1010131, 319032600 โ€“ Port de Sete, France as of 05/19/20; moored to the quay near the Tangiers ferry terminal

 

Laurene Powell Jobs - Venus (Cayman Is.) 1011836, 319327000 โ€“ San Diego Harbor, California as of 03/27/20; no known destination, possibly La Ciotat, France

 

Graeme Hart - Ulysses (Cayman Is.) 9770270, 319105100 โ€“ Malacca Strait, Lat/Long 5.848575ยฐ / 95.40192ยฐ as of 05/18/20; underway with reported destination as โ€œAdriaticโ€

 

Larry Page - Senses (Cayman Is.) 1006673, 319833000 โ€“ Heritage Landing, Auckland, New Zealand as of 05/15/20; moored to pier

 

Jeff Bezos - Flying Fox (Cayman Is.) 9829394, 319133800 โ€“ at anchor @ 1 nm north of Male, Maldive Islands, Indian Ocean

 

-- nearby yachts tracking in this anchorage; Motor/Yacht A

 

Khalifa Al Nahyan - Azzam (U.A.E.) 9693367, 470992000 โ€“ reported in the Western Med (Balearic Sea) near Lat/Long 41.36917ยฐ / 2.185655ยฐ as of 06/25/19; reported destination is Barcelona, Spain. THIS INFORMATION IS VERY OLD, EYES OUT FOR THIS VESSEL

 

Mansour Al Nahyan - Topaz (Cayman Is.) 9551454, 319054000 โ€“ reported underway in the Red Sea near Lat/Long 29.64712ยฐ / 32.36205ยฐ as of 09/13/19; reported destination is Sharm-El-Sheikh, Egypt. THIS INFORMATION IS VERY OLD, EYES OUT FOR THIS VESSEL

 

Hamdan Al Nahyan - MY Yas (Cayman Is.) 8652201, 319085200 โ€“ reported moored near the Parkplatz Cruise Terminal in Hamburg, Germany on 01/13/20; no destination known. THIS INFORMATION IS OLD, EYES OUT FOR THIS VESSEL

 

David Geffen - Rising Sun (Cayman Is.) 8982307, 319011000 โ€“ reported at anchor @ 1nm east of Mayreau near an unnamed island just north of Petit Rameau in the Georges (about halfway between Grenada and the Grenadines) as of 05/19/20; no destination known

 

David Geffen - Ecstasea (Cayman Is.) 1008102, 319009900 โ€“ reported underway from the Marina Port Vell in Barcelona, Spain as of 05/19/20, still in the harbor; destination shows Barcelona

 

-- nearby yachts on tracking in this marina: Secret, Galactica Super Nova, Symphony, Drizzle, Dilbar

 

Margarethe II Denmark - Dannebrog (Denmark) IMO# unk, 219517000 โ€“ underway in the North Sea, Lat/Long 57.43149 N / 10.53556 E as of 05/19/20; no known destination

 

Nancy Walton Laurie - Secret (Cayman Is.) 1011795, 319387000 -reported moored in Marina Port Vell in Barcelona, Spain as of 05/19/20

 

Bono - Cyan (United Kingdom) 1005813, 232022000 โ€“ reported in the Western Med last known at Lat/Long 39.5625ยฐ / 2.637018ยฐ on 12/01/19, no known destination, possibly for Palma de Mallorca. THIS INFORMATION IS OLD, EYES OUT FOR THIS VESSEL

Anonymous ID: ab15d0 Feb. 6, 2021, 7:46 a.m. No.43138   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

I don't know if this is possible with air traffic but I have been using marine traffic sites for a few years and I found that some of them have an archive. This actually allow you to go back to a specific date.

I started using the Marine traffic when I first heard about pedo island and stumbled across a site. The first one I used showed yachts at a nearby island but that site was too limited and don't show any details. The next time I remembered to get in a different site and that one had all the bells and whistles but I believe they had an archive but you had to pay for the "upgrade" and I was broke.

Anywoo I am gonna start doing the plane fag thing. It's new to me but I can't wait to get started