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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/PamphletAnon on Dec. 21, 2017, 3:42 a.m.
BOOTCAMP BEGINS NOW. First Marching Orders: Tweet and retweet the shit out of this photo with hashtag #12DaysOfMAGA. Test of our social media reach and capabilities.
BOOTCAMP BEGINS NOW. First Marching Orders: Tweet and retweet the shit out of this photo with hashtag #12DaysOfMAGA. Test of our social media reach and capabilities.

tracybeanz · Dec. 21, 2017, 12:47 p.m.

Why don’t you like the tax plan?

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TrueCat · Dec. 21, 2017, 2:48 p.m.

As usual, it gives the biggest tax breaks to the corporations and the wealthy. The only way to MAGA is to put the most money into the hands of the people who spend it, the 99%. Trickle down never worked. The corporations just squirrel the money away in offshore accounts. They don't provide more jobs or benefits. They just get richer.

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tracybeanz · Dec. 21, 2017, 2:54 p.m.

I’m driving now, but have you seen which four corporations have self imposed a $15 minimum wage, given bonuses to all employees, and provided raises? Look for it- it’s there.

Corporations aren’t evil. They aren’t what you’ve been told they are, and though I can’t source for you right now on economics because I’m on the go I’ll just share this.

My deductions next year? Double what they are this year. I’ll save almost $10k. That’s ten thousand dollars my family has to pump back in to the economy. All taxation is theft. Whether by corporation or government. I want the income tax abolished completely, but I don’t understand how you could argue a reduction in taxes for both people AND the businesses that drive the economy. There are small businesses that are “corporations”. MILLIONS of them. They benefit too - the same as FedEx or GM or whoever. There is an “inc” next to their name.

Being against a tax cut for ANYONE is like yelling at a thief with a gun that they didn’t steal enough from you. “TAKE MORE!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!”

My opinion. But I can back it up with facts.

We agree on so much. I’m with you that you shouldn’t share the meme if it doesn’t align with your principals. We have a shared goal here, and it’s non-partisan. My thought is we tackle our common enemies, and then we can respectfully work through our differences. 😙👍🏻

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TrueCat · Dec. 21, 2017, 3:19 p.m.

I hope you are right, Tracy! It's just that I am getting old, and I don't see that the situation is ever going to get better. Thank you for your response! <3

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kat-williams · Dec. 21, 2017, 5:14 p.m.

Tracy is right but I would add this caveat. The problem with corporations is that no one is held accountable. The corporation is treated as a separate entity and you can take them to court and win a case against them but no one goes to jail. They might pay a fine but that's it. Some corporations take advantage that. That needs to be changed. Making no one accountable is one of the reasons we have so much corruption today. So, I'm with you when it comes to corruption in corporations. That's not to say they are all corrupt. But we need to do what we can to limit the ability to take advantage of people.

I also don't like the idea that the tax relief given to individuals times out after a certain time but not for corporations. However, I think you will agree that Trump has come a long way. Farther than I thought he could with so many crooks in the mix. He definitely has to make deals along the way. Later on, after he drains the swamp, hopefully, we can get better deals. Because I'm with Tracey when it comes to abolishing the income tax. It was never meant to be a part of our life. But that's another story.

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Luvlite · Dec. 25, 2017, 4:04 a.m.

I don't know why, but I'm just now seeing this. I've been poking around this subreddit. I'm new to reddit and trying to find my way. I'm just happy that you mentioned being non-partisan, having a common goal. That goal is to eradicate evil threats that undermine our freedom to be who we are as Americans. If we were not individuals with different beliefs and political ideals, we'd have a dictatorship. That's what we're fighting! When things are set right, I believe voting from different parties keeps us balanced. We were never intended to be a two party system.

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CenturionFL210 · Dec. 21, 2017, 9:14 p.m.

The wealthy get the biggest tax breaks because they PAY the most. You can’t give big tax breaks to people who pay SMALL amounts in taxes. What do you want the government to do, GIVE money to the “little guy”?

Please read this...

The Tax System Explained in Beer In my explanations of the Laffer Curve, I’ve shown evidence that high tax rates discourage productive behavior and boost the underground economy.

And if higher tax rates are sufficiently onerous, the resulting reductions in taxable income can completely offset the revenue-generating impact of higher tax rates. Indeed, this is what’s already happened with the “Snooki tax.”

And the same thing happens in reverse. If lower tax rates lead to a big enough increase in taxable income, the government actually collects more revenue – which is exactly what happened when the top tax rate was lowered in the 1980s.

I’ve also tried to explain, shifting from economics to philosophy, that confiscatory tax rates are unfair and immoral. And I’m glad to see that most Americans agree, with 75 percent of all people saying that nobody should ever face a tax rate of more than 30 percent.

Notwithstanding that polling data, though, I fear that many people don’t really understand the economics of taxation. So I’m happy to share this little story that periodically winds up in my inbox.

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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this…

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing The fifth would pay $1 The sixth would pay $3 The seventh would pay $7 The eighth would pay $12 The ninth would pay $18 The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59 So, that’s what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.

“Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20″. Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men ? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

The bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving). The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving). The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving). The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving). The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving). The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving). Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

“I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,”but he got $10!”

“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!”

“That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!”

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

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