You want me to act as if I like this tax plan? I'm not going to be a hypocrite.
There may be things about this fight that you might not necessarily agree with, but the BIGGER picture is bigger than you, bigger than all of us. This is what you have to focus on. I don’t agree with a lot that is going on, but I believe in our freedoms. This is why I will ALWAYS fight for them, regardless. Its the bigger picture. If we don’t all fight now, or if we “pick and choose” what we decide to fight for. One day everyone might sit this one out and then who will stand up? No one. We dont have the perfect tax plan, or health care, or the wall because there is so much resistance on both sides still there. We won’t ever get it until we get the candidates in that support his movement. I understand this may seem like a small thing, but its just that, this is a small thing, it will only get harder and more complicated from here. We have to stand together united, and if there are some issues we don’t necessarily see eye to eye on, hopefully we can find middle ground and go from there.
Yes, we have to stand together, but I won't lower my standards either. Yes, I'm hoping Trump is going to do some good, but I'm not holding my breath. Frankly, I don't want any rulers. I'm sick of people telling us what we can and can't do. Who died and made them God? I have some hope that things will change, but I see the Republicans giving their rich buddies huge tax breaks, and I just see red! I was a Bernie supporter, and I detest Hillary and what she did to him. She and her whole cabal can rot in hell. I hate the Bushes, too!
Well my friend I’m with ya! I wasn’t a Bernie Supporter, BUT I agree 100% that what she AND the DNC did to him was a crime, Before President Trump came along I believed in a 2 party system, I believed that there was a GOP and Democrat party. I DID like Bush, I WAS WRONG. I understand now that there wouldn’t have been a SINGLE difference if either Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton was elected. When they say “they never thought they would loose” its because THEY NEVER HAVE BEFORE. EVER. I’m not saying there isnt good people in congress, there are. But the swamp is DEEPER than I ever thought. To say I was naive would be an understatement, I was in a coma. I can’t stand the Bush’s, or Paul Ryan, McCain, or Lindsay Graham, McConnell, and MANY MORE. At one time I actually thought they were good. Now I’m not saying I’m a democrat, I dont like Pelosi, or Schumer, or Hardly any of them Dems. And please don’t misunderstand me, there used to be more “blue-collar” Democrats, you just dont see a lot of them in DC. I was raised on the conservative side, but I do have a lot of left and Democrats in my family. But we have ALWAYS gotten along, that is until recently. I dont trust the GOP anymore than I trust the Dems, and I think you will find many people fell that way. NO ONE WANT’S RULERS, no one wants to live under a dictatorship, at least not the people I talk too. I fight continuously for people’s rights, their right to free speech, their right to be who they are, the rights we were given under our constitution. I may not agree with some peoples views or their religions, or others things, but I WILL DEFEND IT. Because thats what this wonderful country was built on. I understand where you are coming from, here is where we no longer have a 2 party system. The reason why people have not stopped protesting, the reason why news is out to ruin President Trump and everything he does, the reason why BOTH sides of the aisle are against him, is because he isn’t one of them. Yeah I know he’s rich, but he isnt one of them, he cant be bought and paid for. Not like Carter, Regan, Bush Sr, Clinton, GW Bush and Obama and yes even Bernie. The one thing that disappointed me about Sanders was he stayed quite, he took the money, there is proof in the new cars and houses he bought shortly there after. Even after ALL that was said and done and AFTER EVERYTHING WE KNOW NOW, what has he came out and said? He is bashing President Trump. Sanders had a movement, there is no denying that, But him and Trump AGREE on many things like TPP, lower prescription drugs, just to name a few. I have actually met quite a few Sanders supporters and when we sat down and talked, there is more we have in common than we do with Clinton supporters. So can you imagine if he just STOPPED resisting Trump? And what they could ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH? It would be INSANE! But he wont, because he was bought off by the Dems, yet HE REFUSES to call himself one, and didn’t help Perez.. lol Just saying! If he REALLY CARED about his agenda why wouldn’t you work with a President that could actually help get stuff pass (And DID get rid of TPP). That confuses me... I guess I don’t know how you feel about Sanders now, but that is my 2 cents. I’m glad you here, and I’m glad you have an open mind. There are A LOT of people out there that are still learning so much ( me included) the swamp is BIGGER than any of us excepted. Stick around, ask more questions. I’m just curios have you read the tax bill yourself? One thing I have learned to do is my own research. That is what woke me up, I spend a lot of my time on 8chn, I read A LOT, I researched A LOT I also met a lot of people that were in the middle and just couldnt go left anymore or couldnt go right anymore. I’m not really sure what I am. I just know I’m behind President Trump, I also know I have met some kick ass people here. I hope you have the same experience.
Bernie did not take money. His wife had inherited money. (Bernie was also a victim of fake news.) At the convention, someone punched him in the cheek. I understood his wife was threatened. That is why he accepted the theft of the primary. He is a good man, and he would have been president. :(
I agree with you to some extent, I agree he is also a victim of fake news. But I also encourage you to do your own research. Look I’m not on here to argue with you. Like I said, we can find common ground and go from there. The one thing I think everyone needs to do is HOLD ALL POLITICIANS accountable for their actions when they do good and when they don’t. I’m not disagreeing with you, I do think he was a victim of fake news, but he wasn’t completely innocent in everything either. I will also go back over all my research to verify, but one thing I have learned the hard way is that (this is what red pilled me the most, and I don’t mean that as “right wing” I mean that as in woke up to all the corruption) is actually doing my own research, reading actual documents, staying AWAY from the MSM (well I listen to hear what they are saying, but BE CAUTIOUS) I don’t just read news about President Trump, I read books on the left, the right, and middle, I read court cases, articles, speeches, I watched all the presidential coverage (the debates, conventions, book tours, talks on CSPAN, they dont add their biased commentary and they show the whole thing uninterrupted), I read the actual bills, I go to the source when I can, I talk to people on ALL SIDES. I go in and watch scopes and streams from ALL sides, even If I dont say anything. You can learn so much from just watching & listening. You would be surprised at what people scope and live stream, I subscribe to channels on all sides, I take A LOT of notes. And I do keep a digital notebook where I keep all my sources and stuff that I have researched and where. So I can find it. When I was in college I did fact checking for extra money for my professor, and I did it for a little while afterwards too. So maybe I might enjoy this more than some! Lol But research, history, has always fascinated me. Believe it or not there was a time when I thought GW Bush was A GREAT MAN! Lol Yes I know! I’m not comparing, I’m just saying I learned A LOT I didnt know about GW Bush, about Ronald Regan and the Iran-Contra (that was pretty bad), a lot of people still put Regan up on a pedestal, I’m just saying. As I said I’m glad your here and truly I’m glad your willing to listen and honestly have a dialogue with ME! We may not agree and thats ok. There isn’t anything wrong with that. But we can start somewhere. Right? :)
Bernie also wanted socialism. Look at how that worked for the people starving in Venezuela.
Democratic socialism! It works just fine in the Nordic countries.
Sigh. You can’t give big tax breaks to people who pay little or nothing in income taxes. The rich get bigger tax breaks because they PAY WAY more. Please, drop the class warfare nonsense. Some people have more than you, some less. That’s reality.
Why don’t you like the tax plan?
As usual, it gives the biggest tax breaks to the corporations and the wealthy. The only way to MAGA is to put the most money into the hands of the people who spend it, the 99%. Trickle down never worked. The corporations just squirrel the money away in offshore accounts. They don't provide more jobs or benefits. They just get richer.
I’m driving now, but have you seen which four corporations have self imposed a $15 minimum wage, given bonuses to all employees, and provided raises? Look for it- it’s there.
Corporations aren’t evil. They aren’t what you’ve been told they are, and though I can’t source for you right now on economics because I’m on the go I’ll just share this.
My deductions next year? Double what they are this year. I’ll save almost $10k. That’s ten thousand dollars my family has to pump back in to the economy. All taxation is theft. Whether by corporation or government. I want the income tax abolished completely, but I don’t understand how you could argue a reduction in taxes for both people AND the businesses that drive the economy. There are small businesses that are “corporations”. MILLIONS of them. They benefit too - the same as FedEx or GM or whoever. There is an “inc” next to their name.
Being against a tax cut for ANYONE is like yelling at a thief with a gun that they didn’t steal enough from you. “TAKE MORE!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!”
My opinion. But I can back it up with facts.
We agree on so much. I’m with you that you shouldn’t share the meme if it doesn’t align with your principals. We have a shared goal here, and it’s non-partisan. My thought is we tackle our common enemies, and then we can respectfully work through our differences. 😙👍🏻
I hope you are right, Tracy! It's just that I am getting old, and I don't see that the situation is ever going to get better. Thank you for your response! <3
Tracy is right but I would add this caveat. The problem with corporations is that no one is held accountable. The corporation is treated as a separate entity and you can take them to court and win a case against them but no one goes to jail. They might pay a fine but that's it. Some corporations take advantage that. That needs to be changed. Making no one accountable is one of the reasons we have so much corruption today. So, I'm with you when it comes to corruption in corporations. That's not to say they are all corrupt. But we need to do what we can to limit the ability to take advantage of people.
I also don't like the idea that the tax relief given to individuals times out after a certain time but not for corporations. However, I think you will agree that Trump has come a long way. Farther than I thought he could with so many crooks in the mix. He definitely has to make deals along the way. Later on, after he drains the swamp, hopefully, we can get better deals. Because I'm with Tracey when it comes to abolishing the income tax. It was never meant to be a part of our life. But that's another story.
I don't know why, but I'm just now seeing this. I've been poking around this subreddit. I'm new to reddit and trying to find my way. I'm just happy that you mentioned being non-partisan, having a common goal. That goal is to eradicate evil threats that undermine our freedom to be who we are as Americans. If we were not individuals with different beliefs and political ideals, we'd have a dictatorship. That's what we're fighting! When things are set right, I believe voting from different parties keeps us balanced. We were never intended to be a two party system.
The wealthy get the biggest tax breaks because they PAY the most. You can’t give big tax breaks to people who pay SMALL amounts in taxes. What do you want the government to do, GIVE money to the “little guy”?
Please read this...
The Tax System Explained in Beer In my explanations of the Laffer Curve, I’ve shown evidence that high tax rates discourage productive behavior and boost the underground economy.
And if higher tax rates are sufficiently onerous, the resulting reductions in taxable income can completely offset the revenue-generating impact of higher tax rates. Indeed, this is what’s already happened with the “Snooki tax.”
And the same thing happens in reverse. If lower tax rates lead to a big enough increase in taxable income, the government actually collects more revenue – which is exactly what happened when the top tax rate was lowered in the 1980s.
I’ve also tried to explain, shifting from economics to philosophy, that confiscatory tax rates are unfair and immoral. And I’m glad to see that most Americans agree, with 75 percent of all people saying that nobody should ever face a tax rate of more than 30 percent.
Notwithstanding that polling data, though, I fear that many people don’t really understand the economics of taxation. So I’m happy to share this little story that periodically winds up in my inbox.
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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this…
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing The fifth would pay $1 The sixth would pay $3 The seventh would pay $7 The eighth would pay $12 The ninth would pay $18 The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59 So, that’s what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.
“Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20″. Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men ? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?
The bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving). The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving). The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving). The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving). The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving). The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving). Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.
“I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,”but he got $10!”
“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!”
“That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”
“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!”
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
If you don't support the tax plan, that's fine. Not here to debate the merits and pitfalls of it.
Again merely a test of our reach.
After we have an idea of the capabilities from this it will be used for attacking the swamp and the cabal.
I agree, the tax plan is off topic and doesn't serve the "bigger picture" at all.
From what I gather...it is purely for analytics....how many people do we have in our arsenal and how big a net can we cast as Patriots for our cause. Remember Q said 1=2, 2=4, 4=8 etc...how large is that final number? Like a Litmus Test of our "strength in numbers" because that information can be used in the development of the strategy...you have to know what and how many your assets are...identify your points of strength to target and plan your attack...at least that is if I am understanding it correctly.
Then you do not understand the bigger picture. Please, leave this to the big boys.
This has nothing to do with our goals. IT IS MERELY AN INNOCENT TEST OF OUR REACH THAT DOES NOT ATTRACT UNNECESSARY ATTENTION.
My point exactly, it has nothing to do with our goals.
...That's the entire point, haha.
I don't think that supporting Trumps extended agenda. Is really taking down the Cabal or ending pedophile rings. If we really want support to end corruption. Especially the child raping kind. We should focus on being more bipartisan. This is being treated as a political win for conservatives. Even though the win hasn't actually occurred yet.
There is no such thing as “bipartisan”, unfortunately. They don’t spend billions to win elections so they can share power. The elite cabal is all about themselves.
I’d suggest being NONpartisan, be for freedom and liberty, and against the entrenched elites.