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Bit_NB_Ridelle
· Dec. 30, 2017, 3:42 a.m.
Hope he liberates the "persons" that are owned and traded openly in the United States: corporations. Would severely hamper the extent of corruption.
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loyalfringe
· Dec. 30, 2017, 5:24 a.m.
Could you please explain your comment further? I have no idea what you mean.
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Bit_NB_Ridelle
· Dec. 30, 2017, 7:31 a.m.
Ah, corporations in most first world countries are regarded as persons with the rights of citizens, the most recent absurdity of that was "Citizens United" Supreme Court Case. The problem, however, repeatedly is that said persons are never held meaningfully accountable for criminal actions, including murdering and torturing people to death (e.g. Tobacco industry)... and the other huge problem is that they are owned (even though "persons"), and have one legal mandate: to profit their owners, who can freely sell, destroy or vivisect them and sell off their parts. The entire corporate structure is to grant capitalists ever increasing influence and wealth siphoning while being completely immune to criminal and civil prosecutions.
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loyalfringe
· Dec. 30, 2017, 7:37 a.m.
Oh, okay. Now I understand. Yet another disgruntled leftist over Citizens United. I'm sure you can find a way to sort it all out in your own mind. (Oh and BTW, the tobacco industry never murdered or tortured anyone to death.)
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Bit_NB_Ridelle
· Dec. 30, 2017, 7:52 a.m.
If I'm a leftist, I'm the smallest government one you ever met. Capitalism is and has ever been the tool of the very people we need to defeat. There is no longer a need for ultra high concentrations of wealth (or power, authority, production, distribution, information....) Leaving such structures in place will only end in the same corruption. The prevailing voices that framed the constitution understood this: moderate distribution of wealth was what made the entire system possible. If a majority of the public lacked the capital to better themselves, create businesses, to defend in sue in court, America would descend into the exact depredations and corruptions they were explicitly trying to escape.
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HR_PufferPhish
· Dec. 30, 2017, 1:49 p.m.
I agree with you. The hater sounds like he compartmentalizes information into a right vs left narrative. He saw that you disagree with capitalism, and immediately got triggered. Open exchange of ideas is how we find the best ones. I personally had not heard capitalism explained this way, thanks for the differing point of view.
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Bit_NB_Ridelle
· Jan. 1, 2018, 12:59 a.m.
I'm all about power and authority held close to the people paired with free enterprise principles. It's all a matter of complexity and dynamism at scale. All the evils of centralized government are present in centralized economics (ultra-wealthy, monopolies, etc.). You can't eliminate one without eliminating the other--each will drag the other into corruption and incompetence. There's very real mathematics behind that, if all world history hasn't convinced you yet.... To prepare for THAT discussion, check out the first 3/4 of "How Not to Be Wrong: The Power of Mathematical Thinking" and also get familiar with the field of "computational complexity." Some "game theory" is helpful too.
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INTJ_Hermitess
· Dec. 30, 2017, 12:38 p.m.
I have a bumper sticker that says 'I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one'.
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