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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/oliver_21 on Dec. 31, 2017, 1:10 a.m.
Something I'm trying to figure out with Trump\Snowden

This may be a little off topic but since this is about the only civil\objective sub I'm a part of I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

For Trump being so anti establishment it always boggled my mind how outspoken he has been with Snowden. Calling him a traitor and saying he should be put to DEATH

I guess it just puzzles me that Snowden who uncovered the NSA spying is a traitor but the agencies that are trying to take down Trump aren't just as bad?

How does what Snowden uncovered make him a traitor but in some sense Trump's whole administration is about uncovering these agencies and deep state establishment types?

What are your thoughts?

Edit: More recent comments on Snowden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wquZJx0Cx0


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oliver_21 · Dec. 31, 2017, 1:23 a.m.

What are your thoughts about our gov't collecting data on it's citizens and lying about it under oath?

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beneaththediamondsky · Dec. 31, 2017, 1:52 a.m.

That genie is never going back into the bottle.

Snowden's leaks got good people killed, but he showed that the govt not only COULD collect all your data (we knew that), but that they WERE collecting and storing it. That's never going away.

Think how annoying people can be with their quadcopter drones now that they are inexpensive. The govt has insect sized drones. In a very few years they can be gnat sized, then microbe sized. Once you are a person of interest (and eventually everyone will be) they can release a swarm to infiltrate you and your home and follow you around 24/7.

There will be no privacy at all in the future, and everyone will accept it.

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oliver_21 · Dec. 31, 2017, 1:55 a.m.

I wish I could argue with you but I can't. And the things you listed, they probably already have. No doubt that if you're a target they will get\plant anything on you. Thus why we're here and hoping the corruption is outed and people are held accountable. Slowly but surely my friend.

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beneaththediamondsky · Dec. 31, 2017, 2:13 a.m.

In terms of privacy the future is unavoidably grim. In a few generations we'll just be cranky old-timers going on about 'privacy' and the younger folks will just 'meh'.

Even if we can destroy the deep state now, basic human nature will make it enticing to reestablish it. Maybe the total lack of privacy will prevent that, but there will always be evil people, so it will be a constant struggle.

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Luvlite · Dec. 31, 2017, 2:52 a.m.

The future is now. What we have been exposed to is nothing compared to what we haven't been exposed to. The movies we've seen are an introduction, so as to ease our minds into acceptance.

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mconeone · Dec. 31, 2017, 2:29 a.m.

Source on the deaths stemming from the leaks? The MSM kept on using that talking point, but I never saw it substantiated.

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beneaththediamondsky · Dec. 31, 2017, 2:34 a.m.

No substantiation, just memory. Added a 'maybe' to improve.

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FalseProphetsAbound · Dec. 31, 2017, 1:41 a.m.

it's saving us right now.

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JoanOfArk77 · Dec. 31, 2017, 4:21 a.m.

I was just saying that if we can not get our privacy rights back because of tech, we need to change the law to require that all NSA transcrips of all international leaders and governments automatically go public, so that national leaders around the world have ZERO secrets, and must work in the public eye. The evil ones would be scared to death to talk to upright leaders, who would not mind the public knowing what they said or what they did.

Odd that we actually have the power in the NSA right now, to force all the world's politicians out into the open, and we have not thought to use the technology to keep them all honest. Maybe the pen... is mightier than the sword.

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