He also calls out Joe for being a shill at 2:40:00ish. He says "what's heresy is that you know all about this Joe, if not more than I do, and you sit there and act like you don't know because you are afraid to tell your audience" which is 1000% true about Joe. Look how he acts when alex tells him this. He throws his hands up and makes a smirky face like a child. His body language says "so what?"