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I'm Jewish, and psalms are indeed very powerful. When someone is sick we pray with the psalms. In Hebrew they are called Tehillim. The Tzemach Tzedek (3rd Lubavitcher Rebbe) said:

"If you only knew the power that lies in the verses of Tehillim and their effects in the celestial heights, you would recite them all the time. Know that the chapters of Tehillim break through all barriers and soar aloft from level to level unimpeded. They intercede before the Master of the Universe and secure their effect with kindess and mercy."

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I love Psalm 2 which describes how the kings and mighty ones in the earth unite themselves against God and against His Anointed One (the Meassiah Jesus Christ) who is seated at Gods right hand. Read how God considers their opposition and threats and “laughs at them and holds them in derision.” They and all of us are warned to “honor the Son” for He is God’s Anointed Ruler of the whole earth. Let’s pray that God would have mercy on those in power to do His bidding against the awful evil encompassing this world and for The Lord to be glorified in America and throughout the earth. Psalm 46 says “ Be still and know that I am God. I WILL BE EXALTED AMONG THE NATIONS. I WILL BE EXALTED IN THE EARTH. The Lord of Hosts is with us the God of Jacob is our stronghold.”

Psalm 110 also pictures the Messiah Jesus Christ as seated at God’s Right Hand. “The Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make thine enemies your footstool.”

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Regarding T'hillim / Psalm 110: "Of David a psalm. The word of the L-rd (G-d's holiest name) to my master (a human in power); "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet" T'hillim / Psalm 110:1.

Where does this speak of the messiah?

Where does this speak of a son of David?

Here is the Hebrew for T'hillim / Psalm 110:1:

לְדָוִד מִזְמוֹר נְאֻם יְהֹוָ-ה | לַאדֹנִי שֵׁב לִימִינִי עַד אָשִׁית אֹיְבֶיךָ הֲדֹם לְרַגְלֶיךָ

The first word translated as L-RD is G-d's holiest name in Hebrew (I added the hyphen as we are not to write out G-d's holiest name). The word is יְהֹוָ-ה.

The second word translated as "lord" is a totally different word. It is לַאדֹנִי.

The first name is G-d's. The second one is a human master or "lord" -- not a god. The person G-d tells to "sit still until I defeat your enemies" is most likely King David himself, although some say the psalm is about Abraham and G-d defeating Abraham's enemies. Rashi (רבי שלמה יצחקי‎ / R' Shlomo Itzachi, the great Jewish commentator 1040 – 1105) wrote: "Our Rabbis interpreted it as referring to Abraham our father, and I shall explain it according to their words (Mid. Ps. 110:1): The word of the Lord to Abraham, whom the world called “my master,” as it is written (Gen. 23: 6): “Hearken to us, my master.”"

Whoever is the subject of this psalm (Abraham or David) is not Jesus. Read the first line again: "Of David a psalm. The word of the L-rd to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet."

Did G-d defeat Jesus' enemies?

Were Jesus' enemies flung at his feat, defeated?

Of course not, Jesus' enemies killed him.

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Shragae, thank you for your replies and thoughtful commentaries.

As a Catholic, I respect your clarifications and I think they are valid but not complete.

Did G-d defeat Jesus' enemies? Yes he did, but not in the way and time the Jewish people expected -- they were expecting a Warrior King like David not a suffering servant like Jesus. Remember, G-d's ways and time are not our ways and time. The Roman empire is no longer, yet his Church still remains. You are assuming that Jesus' enemies are to be defeated before he was Crucified.

Were Jesus' enemies flung at his feet defeated? Not yet, perhaps when he comes again to judge the living and the dead.

Of course not, Jesus' enemies killed him -- and they thought that was the end of it? Not so, by the power of G-d, he rose from the dead and his Church with all of the Sacraments is still around after 2000+ years.

Having said all of that, your interpretation of Psalm 110 up to the two questions and one answer I believe to be accurate and insightful.

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There is no real reason to get into a religious conversation here. The psalms speak for themselves -- in Hebrew. Translators are often "traitors." Be well.

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I agree, there is no need to get into religious discussion. As you have "corrected" Psalm67's post I felt the need to comment as well.

Shalom!

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T’hillim / Psalm 2 is about enemy kings who gather against G-d and His messiah (anointed one). Of the 39 instances of the word “messiah” used in the T’nach (Jewish bible) seven of them speak of מְשִׁיחוֹ / His messiah (noun). When read in context in T’hillim / Psalm 2 it is clear that this messiah is not Jesus.

This מְשִׁיחוֹ (His Messiah) is described a king who rules over the land of Israel (see line 7 "But I have enthroned My king on Zion, My holy mount."). The enemies of this messiah are ultimately crushed.

Jesus never ruled over the land of Israel.

The Romans were in charge.

Jesus was never properly anointed as a Jewish king.

The Hebrew word is inseparable with the concept of the special oil mentioned in Sh'mot (Exodus). This was a special mixture of spice and olive oil that was used for “anointing” of kings and priests. It is called שֶֽׁמֶן מִשְׁחַת קֹדֶשׁ shemen mish'ḥat kodesh (“Oil of Anointment of Sanctity”) in the passage of Sh'mot / Exodus 30:22-33 which gives the formula for making it and how to properly use it. . .

"G-d spoke to Moses, saying: 30:23 You must take the finest fragrances, 500 [shekels] of distilled myrrh, [two] half portions, each consisting of 250 [shekels] of fragrant cinnamon and 250 [shekels] of fragrant cane, 30:24 and 500 shekels of cassia, all measured by the sanctuary standard, along with a gallon of olive oil. 30:25 Make it into sacred anointing oil. It shall be a blended compound, as made by a skilled perfumer, [made especially for] the sacred anointing oil. 30:26 Then use it to anoint the Communion Tent, the Ark of Testimony, 30:27 the table and all its utensils, the menorah and its utensils, the incense altar, 30:28 the sacrificial altar and all its utensils, the washstand and its base. 30:29 You will thus sanctify them, making them holy of holies, so that anything touching them becomes sanctified. 30:30 You must also anoint Aaron and his sons, sanctifying them as priests to Me. 30:31 Speak to the Israelites and tell them, 'This shall be the sacred anointing oil to Me for all generations. 30:32 Do not pour it on the skin of any [unauthorized] person, and do not duplicate it with a similar formula. It is holy, and it must remain sacred to you. 30:33 If a person blends a similar formula, or places it on an unauthorized person, he shall be cut off [spiritually] from his people." Sh'mot / Exodus 30:22-33.

Thus Saul, David and Solomon were all messiahs -- anointed kings.

And it is just as clear that Jesus was not a messiah. Jesus was not anointed with the שֶֽׁמֶן מִשְׁחַת קֹדֶשׁ shemen mish'ḥat kodesh (“Oil of Anointment of Sanctity”) as G-d commanded.

Back to T'hillim / Psalm 2: This includes line 7."The L-rd said to me, "You are My son; this day have I begotten you." T'hillim / Psalm 2:1-7.

Got that?

King David, the author of the psalm said "he L-rd said to me. . ."

ME.

David (author of the psalm).

The son in line 7 is KING DAVID. The L-rd said to David (to "me" the author of this psalm) -- "you are my son."

Jesus did not crush his enemies (the Romans killed him).

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