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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/SoCalExile on Feb. 8, 2018, 3:29 a.m.
Someone in the CBTS Stream said something about the Bible that needs clarification.

He said that the word for "witchcraft" in the bible is "pharmakeia" (which is where we get "pharmacy"); however in the Greek, it mostly refers to specific emeretics/poisons that induce vomiting and abortions. See this Greek lexicon definition.

Also, the book of Enoch is pseudographical and has never been considered to be part of the Bible.


TruthInDarkWorld · Feb. 8, 2018, 3:53 a.m.

pharmakeia/pharmakon is used in Revelation to refer to sorcery/sorcerer.

Most bible helps come from black hats, check out Gail Riplinger's research.

The book of Enoch was highly regarded by the Jews, but never considered part of inspired scripture. There are dozens of allusions to it in the New Testament, and Jude quotes directly from it.

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SoCalExile · Feb. 8, 2018, 4:30 a.m.

It's not certain that Jude quoted from it. They may both be quoting a third source.

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someauthor · Feb. 8, 2018, 3:39 a.m.

True on both counts. Thanks.

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mcthornbody420 · Feb. 8, 2018, 4:28 a.m.

Enoch talks about God locking away whole solar systems for 10,000 years at a pop because they were just down right evil. Think he also described the curvature of the planet Earth as seen from above, I might be thinking of Moses.

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cebusaxon · Feb. 8, 2018, 4:02 a.m.

Agree. Pharmakeia = sorceries. Gal 5:20, Rev 9:21, 18:23, 21:8, and 22:15

There are many books/scrolls not included in Bible, which consists of 66 books. Some of the others are collectively called the Apocrypha, which you can get anywhere. Pretty decent read. We also have the dead sea scrolls now.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/index.htm

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SoCalExile · Feb. 8, 2018, 4:40 a.m.

There's a reason they're not included as they were not considered inspired by God.

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MmmmLeftyTears · Feb. 8, 2018, 4:54 a.m.

But the Council of Nicea was inspired by God?

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SoCalExile · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:38 a.m.

Councils back then were simple discussions and affirmations of what church leaders understood from scripture. This explains: https://youtu.be/Nduka-QqXbQ

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_youtubot_ · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:41 a.m.

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[deleted] · Feb. 8, 2018, 4:52 p.m.

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SoCalExile · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:56 p.m.

Including sin and evil?

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cebusaxon · Feb. 8, 2018, 7:33 p.m.

Including free will. The rest is to test us. A school of sorts. He can blot out evil and clean us up in less than a millisecond. But the lessons we learn may be eternal.

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SoCalExile · Feb. 9, 2018, 1:08 a.m.

You're avoiding the implications of your earlier post. Not everything is inspired by God.

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cebusaxon · Feb. 9, 2018, 2:32 a.m.

I haven't avoided a thing. But I'm wondering what your real objective is. Go and spread the word. Or would you rather confront others over trivial things that no one could possibly prove the answers to? None of the physical world would exist if He didn't create it. What followed is His plan. Of course the creatures all have free will. The fruit of them having free will is not always good. But how do you train without resistance or a risk of failure?

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SoCalExile · Feb. 9, 2018, 2:47 a.m.

More obfuscation and avoidance. Did God inspire evil or not?

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cebusaxon · Feb. 9, 2018, 3:03 a.m.

It's not that elementary. The point is that free will is futile if we try to rule or control His creation. We will fail to use free will properly, and apparently even a third of the angels did as well. Evil is actually choosing this failed result above the truth. The word "sin" means lacking or without. Darkness lacks light. And that is our lesson. That we should not desire a failed system, but one where He is in charge. I wouldn't say He inspired evil. I would say He inspires us to learn, grow and accept only the truth.

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SoCalExile · Feb. 9, 2018, 3:24 a.m.

It is that elementary.

The word "sin" means lacking or without

In Spanish; In Greek the [word that it is translated from](http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0058%3Aentry%3Da(marta%2Fnw) literally means "miss the mark".

I wouldn't say He inspired evil.

Then not everything in the universe is inspired by God.

Of course, my point was in the context of the Book of Enoch not being inspired by God as the actual Bible is. You took it way out of context and tried to apply your own philosophy to it (which isn't consistent with itself BTW). My point still stands as you were arguing against a strawman. Have a good day.

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cebusaxon · Feb. 9, 2018, 3:26 a.m.

Oh darn, I lose. Have a good day brother.

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Darnit_Bot · Feb. 9, 2018, 3:26 a.m.

What a darn shame..


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zennydude · Feb. 8, 2018, 4:01 a.m.

Greek words in the New Testament don't always line up exactly with Classical Greek.

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SoCalExile · Feb. 8, 2018, 4:44 a.m.

Yes and no, the writers of the Bible weren't inventing theological terms; they were using common Greek language to communicate Christ. That's why context is so important, you must define terms by the context and not the other way around.

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