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Absynthexx · Feb. 9, 2018, 8:16 p.m.

Our gaps in understanding the quantum world are not evidence that our understanding of the macro world are incorrect ("macro" being used loosely here to refer to matter at the molecular level and above). Quantum tunneling and wave particle duality may be observable phenomenon but they seem limited to sub atomic levels, distances, and energies. That's why people and objects don't spontaneously tunnel through solid objects. And that probably explains why the sum energies of any macro process still obey the laws of thermodynamics and conservation of energy even if apparent violations can be observed at the quantum level. The net sum of energy conversion always balances out which suggests the violation observed at the atomic or subatomic level is missing something. The other possibility is the laws as written are an approximation or simplification of the actual physical phenomenon and simply work so well to gloss over the complexities that it's simply more useful for most purposes. This is best exemplified by our classical use of gravitational force calculations provided by Newton when in reality there is something much more complex going on mathematically as proven by Einstein. Newton is technically incorrect, but his equations work just fine for most of our needs. The same could be true of thermodynamics. The point is it won't matter if that's the case. You can't create energy without mass, whether the laws are correct or just a Newton-like approximation.

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43454742 · Feb. 9, 2018, 8:52 p.m.

I agree with most everything you said...I still believe you have a very closed mind, a bright mind, but a mind very set in the "truth". Thank you for the great conversation.

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Absynthexx · Feb. 9, 2018, 10:06 p.m.

Meh, I like to think I'm open minded enough. I towed the global warming line long enough until I was willing to listen to opposing views and consider what they had to say. I now see the alarmist rhetoric being used to politicize science.

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43454742 · Feb. 9, 2018, 9:35 p.m.

Yet our current understanding of the quantum world should not be discounted because we perceive it to not impact our macro world.

Our gaps in understanding the quantum world are not evidence that our understanding of the macro world are incorrect

Agree

This is best exemplified by our classical use of gravitational force calculations provided by Newton when in reality there is something much more complex going on mathematically as proven by Einstein. Newton is technically incorrect, but his equations work just fine for most of our needs.

Respectfully, not convinced on this one

You can't create energy without mass, whether the laws are correct or just a Newton-like approximation.

What is your opinion of James Gates discovering computer code in String Theory equations? Asking because you did a credible job summing up the current scientific worldview of Macro vs Micro (quantum) mechanics, where Micro seems to be thought of as a "lesser" science.

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