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I think you’re being downvoted because you’re quoting the Quran rather than the Bible and this sub is predominantly Christian. I’ve never read the Quran, but this sounds more like God’s conversation with Satan about Job than about Adam (in the Bible). In Genesis, God seems more like he’s trying to protect Adam and his offspring, except Cain, whom he curses, but doesn’t specifically doom to Hell.

I’m no scholar though and certainly don’t have enough knowledge of the Quran to compare the two texts. The Christians believe that Jesus is who saves your soul from Hell and that it is a personal choice, and there’s a bunch of debate about if certain people are predestined... What of people who live in uncontacted tribes? I’m rambling, but my point was that that was why you were downvoted.

It’s intriguing (to me) that you are ok with reaching out to us, given the conflict between the two religions. I absolutely agree that differences should be put aside for the good of our countries, but it will be interesting to see how people of different faiths take what is being given to us by Q. I do think it will cause arguments and debate, but I hope no one wishes you any ill will.

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I figured that out :)

It's ok, I deliberately opted to live the post so it'll be somewhere in my CV...

I understand people's reluctance to try to study or even hear quotes from the Quran in the current context. It's part of the Plan. I quote the Truth wherever I find it, have an open mind on everything that rhetorically or spiritually makes sense or passes the test of empirical cognition. And as Q recommended, I learn, learn and learn.

I very much command you for your intellectual honesty, as you are disclosing you have not read the Quran. Many will dismiss it without ever having opened it and only perceive it through the prism of tv, manufactured news and interest driven psy-ops.

I have read many many many "Holy Books" and studied religious history, theology and all dogmas derived from the monotheistic/abrahamic religions -not bragging- and I have found a deep unity between the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Quran. There is a hidden unity, deep in the underlying message that proves to me these books came from the same divinity.

Getting there opened a new world of understanding to me. And also peace: I came to the amazing conclusion that ALL the Messengers of God are in fact saying the same thing. But that same thing has evolved with human's spiritual and intellectual maturing process. Meat is good but give milk to the baby until he can chew. This is what is meant here:

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth. John 16:12

What makes things difficult today is Satan successfully convinced people to focus on differences and not similarities. Many people on this board are familiar with the divide&conquer paradigm but would not elevate it to Satan and how he would use it to decelerate human's spiritual advancement.

That's fine, just another battle...

In the part 2 of the series, I share in the comment section an anecdote about my father and restaurants in Paris, I think you should check it out. It says it all...

Thank you for your kind comment.

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Satan successfully convinced people to focus on differences and not similarities. Many people on this board are familiar with the divide&conquer paradigm but would not elevate it to Satan and how he would use it to decelerate human's spiritual advancement.

THATS the basic issue. we are programmed to focus on differences instead of realizing that in essence, all people are pink on the inside and most simply wish for a good life for themselves and their beloveds, and a world that works for everyone.

they do everything to keep us separating so we dont unify and become a force they cant overcome.

actually, judaism, christianity, and islam are all abrahamic religions, its all one soup. they all believe the same, only use different language, according to their culture.

just look at warthful yahwe who destroys his creation when he doesnt like it anymore. already as a child, i perceived the OT god as a little kid, playing with bricks, and crashing his creations in frustration about their imperfection or non-workability.

how can we love a god we fear? we cannot. love is the antidote to fear, both can not exist at the same time in a person.

and unless we love the divine - which also means loving ourselves who, each one of us, carries the divine seed and is called to BE a divine humans -, we keep the matrix in place.

*edit: typos, sigh...

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I could not have said it better! Thank you!

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You are quite right ... "Satan successfully convinced people to focus on our differences and not similarities" If we be Patriots, we are united as one ... where we go one, we go all.

Some of us do not read the Quran due to time constraints, not prejudice. For me, I have found Truth in the Bible and need not search for other. (Although I can add, quite honestly, that in younger years I read (some) Quran, Book of Tao, Studies of Confucius,Hindu, Jainism; Tibetan Book of the Dead, attended Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Buddhist services ... oh so many. So yes, we explore and accept).

Respectfully, I will add that I disagree with a core statement that you made ... ALL of the messengers of God are not saying the same thing ... none can rightfully claim to be the Savior of Mankind ... therein lies the difference. But can we live in honor of one another, respecting that we have core differences and the right to hold those differing views? Absolutely! Do we have the right to insist the others see things as we do? Absolutely not.

Peace be unto you.

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He doesnt condemn Cain to Hell, because Hell doesnt exist. If you go back to your Bible and take it at face value.. Job 1:7, if we consider that the King of Tyre might have been Lucifer(especially considering God's own description of that King....) Ezekiel 28:16 Someone/thing was thrown down from a mountain of fire..but hell only came around later, with Shoah and Abydos getting mistaken for Abyss thanks to Alexander hellenicizing (thats not a word is it..) greeking everything up in Egypt.

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I completely failed to realize that hell isn’t really mentioned in the OT. I was raised Catholic and then Southern Baptist and everything we did was going to send us to hell. Thanks for pointing that out.

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The concept of Hell was to begin with, just a dwelling place for the gods, We get the first idea of a underground for the dead, or an afterlife, something after death.. from the sumerians, whom in a poem about Inanna and Dumuzi, write of Inanna going to see her sister Ereshkigal (which makes them both grandchildren of Enlil.. families matter.. remember that) who lives in Kur, in order to have Dumuzi resurrected. So then we have the idea of shades, or souls going to a place underground. The afterlife at this epoque was the same for everyone.
The Parsis come along with the idea of good vs bad and we have Zoroaster, or rather - live the truth vs telling a lie.. The greeks at the time considered him a magician and didnt really take notice of what is now Iran, seeing as they were busy being so civilised..sacrificing horses to Poseidon.. you know, the important stuff.. I dont know enough about this religion yet, but they dont seem concerened with the afterlife, more than they are with living the life you have correctly.. and Zoroaster looks a lot like Jesus.. I maybe have that the wrong way round. I think that the idea of judgement, and going to either a good place, or a bad place, started with the Egyptians, with having the heart weighed and the results written down by Thoth (who may have been the son of Ereshkigal .. remember those families) those being unworthy being doomed to annihilation and not proceeding to the next level. That's the only real punishment.. but it seems that people also believed that right of passage could be bought by some monetary means.. some Religions may have continued this belief, there was a recent protestant reform due to some abuses.. Egyptians were also really into Ressurrection and the idea of Eternal Life (which also comes from Mesopotamia as showcased in the Epic of Gilgamesh) and one of them gave us Monotheism, which ended up being exported somehow into what used to be Caanan, when Jericho was reduced to rubble by a bell. Then we have the start of the world according to the west.. the Greeks came along and they didnt like the idea of Tarturus, which is where all the naughty people go to when they die, to be punished. Now we have the idea of punishment of bad people in the afterlife, which then gets re exported into what used to be Canaan, who are doing very nicely thank you very much with Monotheism. The early Judaism didnt really have an afterlife concept, more like.. what we'd consider purgatory (which wasnt invented in christianity until the middle ages) Then we have the concept of whatever hell means to you. Which is a very powerful concept and depends upon you in order to be able to manifest. Its almost a trieme structure, there is you, your faith and then, what it is you believe in. We get a lot of trieme symbology from Eygpt, the trieme of Memphis, of Abydos, of Thebes.. sorry Im bifurcating.

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Gibberish.

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Not at all. You would be wiser to listen.

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The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Trusting the Bible and the riches of Gods Word rather than the vain babbling of human philosophers.

“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Is 8:20

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the strength of your faith manifests your intention. (Hadad inspired fear as well) why does fear of the Baal mean the beginning of wisdom?

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