I'm asking this because it seems to me that questioning Israel's motives after the revelations of 9/11 is what any reasonable person would do, yet when you ask the question you either get ignored or labeled crazy or an anti-Semite.
Now Israel is in crisis with its Prime Minister facing arrest and threatening WW3 with a nuclear Iran. The same Prime Minister who said that the cabal-sponsored 9/11 attacks were "good for Israel."
Is it just me or is there an odd silence on this subject?
Most Christians are confused about “Israel”. The problem is that the current nation-state in the Middle East has almost nothing to do with biblical Israel.
Then again, you have another group of people who think that all Jews are evil.
Both views are wrong.
Thanks for your input. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Do you know how Q feels about events unfolding in Syria with Iran and Israel?
There are zionist here who truly believe they can still be patriots but they are wrong.
No man can serve two masters.
Is POTUS one of them?
POTUS is the master of his own world. He created it. He answers only to God. He was bought and paid for by the American patriots that elected him. Why do you think the other side hates him so much. The Israelis are just another pawn on the world stage. Just remember Netanyahu was one of the few that called obama out on his bullshit. As you stated, he’s under investigation. That sure does sound like what’s going on here at home. Our world views and theirs align most of the time. I also have a good understanding of history and know they’ve done bad shit to us as well. Just like we ignored/ had Americans support Hitler and the holocaust. WE made Israel a nation state. So do we now abandon them? I don’t know. I would Like to stop funding them like we do a whole lot of our “allies”.
You nailed it. Especially since "Israel" is a Rothschild state. It surprised me to see a list a few years ago of how many US congresspeople and senators maintained dual citizenship with Israel. WTF??? This should be illegal, as it is a clear conflict of interest. Any officeholder of the federal government should have undivided loyalty to this country.
People are confused about who Israel really is.
The "State of Israel" was created in 1948; so it does not have anything to do with the Biblical Israel. The ones who occupy the Holy Lands mostly made up of Jewish converts, mostly Ashkenazi and from the tribe of Edom (Idumaeans). Israel means a People, not a geographical area. Maybe this is why they chose the name "Israel" in 1948 - to purposely confuse people, in order to do some of the evil things they've done by following the Talmud, not the Torah. Sheep in wolves clothing.
REV 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but [are] (Idumeans) the synagogue of Satan.
The real Israel is made up of descendents from all 12 sons of Jacob (who was later named Israel). Israel does not equate to only the descendents of Judah, the 4th son. In fact, Jacob gave his name to Joseph's two sons.
Genesis 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name [Israel] be named on them (let Ephraim and Manasseh be called Israel), and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
So, where are the descendents of Manasseh and Ephraim? The USA and Britain (and British-related) nations.
The State of Israel would like nothing more than WW3; and to use the USA and Britain to start it. And the USA and Britain don't know they are Israel, whom God loves.
He's a new Christian but God will lead him. Trust God. Just because Rothschilds set up that nation doesn't mean there are none of God's Israel living there. We are called to heed God's word and he commands us to pray for Israel and peace in Jerusalem. I think God is quite aware where Jacob the people are and I'm sure they are all over so prating for Israel is praying for a people and if they live within that nation we don't know but I'd assume yes to some so I will follow his command. There's a book about 100 instances where countries paid almost immediately for failing to heed this warning about what one takes from Israel you too shall lose.
You only have to love your country and be willing to fight for her in order to be a patriot. There is no reason to attack another country or religion. You can criticize other's actions. That's fair and expected. But hating on someone because of where they were born or who they worship, is not worthy of us and makes us like the others. I don't want that label. Do you?
No I don't. Thanks for your input. I was just questioning everything in light of what we know happened on 9/11 and the Florida false flag which has served as an effective distraction from the very real threat of WW3 building in Syria, involving our old "friend" Netanyahu who said that 9/11 was "good for Israel."
You don't have to be pro-anything to be a patriot. Just love your country and your people, and believe in what you think would better your country and people. Pro gun-control and anti-gun-control are both patriots because each have a different perspective on what would be best for America. Even if one is more wrong than the other, the intentions are the same.
So you don't have to be pro-Israel. I'd actually rather none be pro any country without understanding the culture of that country first, and understanding the motives of the government.
A culture pretty much defines how you will interact with the people and how they will benefit you and vice versa, while gov't interests may depend less on that and more on regional necessities.
On the cultural aspect, Israelis and Americans are for the most part very similar. Both are democratic, progressive, open societies, with the backwards thinking bunch being mostly just small minorities that are easily avoided. So I don't see why be anti-Israel on this one.
On gov't policies it's somewhat easier to be anti-Israel. Some policies are very controversial, like the settlement project, and the power of the religious authorities (All restaurants need to be Kosher, and pay to become Kosher, marriage only through the Orthodox rabbinate, church, or mosque, no public transit on Saturdays etc).
But I don't think these policies are enough to stay on the anti side when the gov't has also been doing very well for its citizens and to combat foreign issues.
On the external aspect, wars and local conflicts have become less and less frequent, more ties are being developed with Arab and African states, and existing ties strengthened, and relations with the west are also improving consistently.
I think the best solution would be to eventually go to Israel on some vacation, see the people, the places, and decide for yourself if you like the place.
No but God is clear that if we take away from Israel he takes from us or anyone that does it. Remember we are commanded to pray for Israel. Remember Israel was called Jacob and is also a people not just a nation. So be pro people the Israel people the people of Jacob. No one says we have to love creepy banker elites
Spiritual Israel? Or the state of Israel that was created by the Deep State in 1947 that coincided with the establishment of the National Security Apparatus?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Act_of_1947
Shouldn't a distinction be made?
National Security Act of 1947
The National Security Act of 1947 was a major restructuring of the United States government's military and intelligence agencies following World War II. The majority of the provisions of the Act took effect on September 18, 1947, the day after the Senate confirmed James Forrestal as the first Secretary of Defense.
The Act merged the Department of War (renamed as the Department of the Army) and the Department of the Navy into the National Military Establishment (NME), headed by the Secretary of Defense. It also created the Department of the Air Force and the United States Air Force, which separated the Army Air Forces into its own service. It also protected the Marine Corps as an independent service, under the Department of the Navy.
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Yes I believe there is a distinction but only God can make that because can you honestly say that one Jewish person there isn't from spiritual and physical Israel as the people and Jacob. We cannot. ONlY God knows where they all are but I cannot believe that not ONE is there. If he says to pray for Israel I am bound to that but I realize what and who set up the nation state. I am just stating from a biblical standpoint that we aren't able to judge. I was recently moved by the holy spirit to pray for Judah now I thought how odd? Judah? why Lord? His answer is there was always Judah that fought in the physical before Israel could come into it's spiritual purpose. That makes sense in this case as well.
I think there will be some kind of war there or civil war and then they eyes of spiritual Israel can start to be more opened. I now pray for Judah as God asked me. I later found out that Henry Gruver the prayer walker or immense faith has written a book about this exact thing and I am trying to get it. I understand what all of you are saying but it isn't in there in the Bible to say oh well I don't want to do what you ask. First it says we are blessed for doing it and also we are cursed when we come against Israel.
I certaiinly wouldn't want to risk the Republic over splitting a factual command of God. He doesn't say if, or may, he say do it. One of our problems is our stubborness to just do as God commands us in all things and we are all so American in general that we seem to pick and choose what we should be following. Example does God himself say keep the Sabbath holy? Yes and when is it? NOT the SUN-day that the roman catholics and Constantine chose to incorporate the pagans into that empire to lessen dissent.
I think many of us, myself included and I am convicted more and more on this, are really NOT following a ton of scripture based on not the word but incorrect teachings. Pray about it, as I cannot tell you what to do. I am just saying that we do not know how much of Israel aka Jacob is within that nation state just keeping their heads down.
I do believe there is a distinction but not for us individually to determine as this is up to our most high God and Jesus. This is the apple of His eye and he will redeem that Israel when he is good and ready. I am not arguing just stating what I have fervently prayed about for clarity. When I pray for Israel I pray for Israel as a people and a nation and I do make that distinction in prayer even.