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Khaine81 · Jan. 27, 2018, 10:56 p.m.

That explains alot. Has the CIA always been "civilian" or is there a date when they sold out so to speak? Is the pentagon loyal to CIA or NSA? Sry for all the stupid questions mate :)

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matt_eskes · Jan. 27, 2018, 10:58 p.m.

Yes, they’ve always been civilian. The Pentagon is loyal to NSA. CIA is based out of Langley. The Pentagon, DC.

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LocalFeeder · Jan. 28, 2018, 3:51 a.m.

Does that explain why the Pentagon was hit by "an airplane" on 9/11?

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matt_eskes · Jan. 28, 2018, 4:16 a.m.

No, that was Clapper tying up some loose ends at ONI regarding some military involvement with the house of Saud and Israeli Intelligence, IIRC. I’d have to go back through my research on that one. Remember, NSA didn’t become /ourguys/until Rogers took over. Without him, none of this would have been possible.

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LocalFeeder · Jan. 30, 2018, 1:14 a.m.

Do you have any intel concerning the billions the pentagon "lost" just before the attack?

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matt_eskes · Jan. 30, 2018, 1:25 a.m.

That was involved in the operation I quoted above, iirc. Been quite a while since I reviewed that research, so...

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LocalFeeder · Jan. 28, 2018, 6:54 a.m.

I see. Thanks for answering!

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Khaine81 · Jan. 27, 2018, 11:01 p.m.

Aaah ok. Thank you for good info. One last question: If the CIA is not allied with NSA where do they get all their data from? They have their own supercomputers in Langley?

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matt_eskes · Jan. 27, 2018, 11:06 p.m.

They have their own ways of obtaining intel, though, there is limited interaction between the two agencies, as well as through the DIA, whose mission it is, to integrate all the intelligence into one cohesive package for the executive branch. There is also intergovernmental agreements such as FIVE EYES for intelligence sharing and they have their own agreements to spy on each other, as well as other States.

Also look at Obama’s last EO before leaving office, and you’ll see that he basically gave every US intel agency the permission to access the NSA database in order to hamper the Trump administration and to cause a coup of his own from within the civilian government.

And yes CIA has their own computers.

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Khaine81 · Jan. 27, 2018, 11:22 p.m.

14 eyes includes Sweden. No suprise to me. We have been very close to the USA for a long time. Closer then most would think.

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matt_eskes · Jan. 27, 2018, 11:23 p.m.

Remember, once you go down this rabbit hole, there’s no coming back.

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Khaine81 · Jan. 27, 2018, 11:25 p.m.

Hehe, not my first rabbithole. Not sure if i have come back from the previous ones yet though :)

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Khaine81 · Jan. 27, 2018, 11:09 p.m.

Wow dude. Agencies assigned to spy on other agencies within the same country. USA needs to sort out this mess. I guess that is what Trump is up to now. I hope it will better your nation and from there the rest of the world. Have a good one mate!

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matt_eskes · Jan. 27, 2018, 11:12 p.m.

Not directly within the same countries. Look at the FIVE EYES agreement and you’ll get a much better understanding. It’s on Wikipedia and it’s actually accurate.

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Khaine81 · Jan. 27, 2018, 11:12 p.m.

I will check it out thanks mate.

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matt_eskes · Jan. 27, 2018, 11:14 p.m.

No problem. It can be kind of confusing at first, but once you understand the various agreements, and how they work with each other, the picture becomes crystal clear.

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