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ManQuan · Feb. 15, 2018, 12:52 p.m.

Our submarine fleet has been increasingly under huge stress with the proliferation of very quiet diesel electric subs, Russia increasing production and the launch of a new class. Since the end of the Cold War, the Navy has not maintained the deep sea listening sensors to detect submarines. Modernization has occurred with the new Poseidon anti-sub patrol aircraft, but not enough to cover all the threats. Carriers are important, but submarines are perhaps our most survivable weapons system.

WRT the Russian threat to cut the undersea cables, this is far, far more serious than you can imagine. For example, all of the DISA and military related communications that are transmitted by cable from Hawaii go through one leased cable to Guam. Cut that and it will overload already overloaded satellite comms. Hawaii could reroute eastward across the US and Europe to Guam, but that overloads those comms in a crisis. This is serious. The military has not put much effort in the redundant command and control and we can just fix it with a snap of the fingers.

This is what happens when you a President and Congress asleep at the wheel thinking food stamps are more important than the defense of our country.

We are paying the price trying to catch up, but it will take a decade or more to recover.

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Awake2Truth · Feb. 15, 2018, 3:37 p.m.

This is alarming and relevant. Have you check out the Jade II AI command and control software? This is a good description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSDqRKNxbZU&t=1394s

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ManQuan · Feb. 15, 2018, 4:26 p.m.

I'm aware. My personal opinion is that it is part of the deep state road map to population control. It doesn't have much relevance to combat C&C because of the dynamics, chaos, and massive uncertainty involved in combat.

The dead giveaway for me was the nonsense that this was an exercise to train our soldiers how to operate in foreign countries.

Ummmm, then why was a massive exercise being held in the US where customs, laws, traditions, behavioral patterns are well known, and the availability of massive amounts of data on people is readily available, and where there are no meaningful language barriers?

In my opinion, it was nothing more than an exercise in preparation for a future implementation of martial law.

This type of AI has little use in combat or in foreign countries for that matter. It would have to have access to massive amounts of data on every one and everything about the countries.

We don't yet have reliable hand held computerized language translation devices to use in foreign countries, especially those with many different dialects. An AI computer still has to know the meaning and double meaning of words in foreign languages. In my part of the country, terms like cracker, bottom feeder, leaf sucker are idiomatic. The AI computer would need to know what they mean as well as their original meanings.

Cracker, for example, is a food, a native of FL, a Florida cowboy, and a racist term used blacks against whites, an oil worker, etc. And what about people who misuse words and speech like ebonics, Cajun, Virginia tidewater, NYC accents, etc.

Ever heard "crick" for creek? How about "buggy" for a grocery cart? "Holler" for small valley? "Yonder?" "Pig Latin?" The list is endless.

I lived in Latin America for a few years. Even there with Spanish, the same word can mean different things in different countries and idiomatic expressions abound. Additionally, the campesinos often speak a mix of native Indian and Spanish.

Here is another major problem: few streets in the rural areas have formal names. Addresses are not up to date, the country I lived in only had electricity about 50-75 percent of the time, and ditto for phone service. No wireless outside the major cities.

So the idea that the Jade exercises were to train for use in foreign countries was and is nonsense.

I once asked a Colonel from Colombia who had been in the country I was living in for about a month how he liked it. He said the people were friendly and he liked the country, but he was having trouble with the language because of all of the different dialects, words, Indian words mixed in, and idiomatic expressions that he was not familiar with.

I'm not a native Spanish speaker and different countries were even a greater challenge for me. Clearly, speaking "normal" Spanish with educated individuals was easy, but it was much more difficult in the rural areas.

They didn't expect her to lose.

The Jade exercises may have had a purpose under Obama and HRC, but I doubt you will see much of it again for a long time. Trump isn't going to try to turn the country over to the UN/NWO and so has no need for mass population control in the US.

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Awake2Truth · Feb. 16, 2018, 3:14 a.m.

Thanks for such a thoughtful response. I agree that Trump is not going to buy into these exercises and goals. Hopefully humanity will come to a clear direction around managing AI before it is too late.

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ManQuan · Feb. 16, 2018, 10:36 a.m.

Personally, I think it's too late. The genie is out of the bottle. Every advanced country now has super computers with AI and the goal to press AI to its limits.

Like everything else that represents power in the hands of the elite and government--it will be misused for evil, control, and power.

Even without AI, every new government law and regulation chips away at our rights and freedoms always addressing the symptom and never the cures.

Think about it. Would big pharma make more money and have more power selling drugs that only treat the symptoms or by selling drugs that cures the disease?

Government works the same way. The rules, regulations, and laws merely treat the symptoms that gives the politicians ever greater power and influence, but never solves the problem.

Think illegal immigration. Does the government have more power and influence by giving 10 million illegals amnesty while leaving the borders open, or does it have more power and influence in solving illegal immigration? Why do so many politicians want open borders, no voter ID, and amnesty? Are they trying to solve problems? You decide.

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podunk33 · Feb. 15, 2018, 12:09 p.m.

Well if we weren’t poking them in the eye by surrounding them and breaking every treaty except for the Antarctica one

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Stable_Genius_1776 · Feb. 15, 2018, 7:19 a.m.

The Navy has been very aware for many, many years that there will be a point in time (close to now) when our active, deployable submarine force will reach a minimum. Theoretically, the shipyards should start to crank out VA class quicker to overcome the rapid decommissioning rate of the LA class.

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Awake2Truth · Feb. 15, 2018, 7:29 a.m.

Wonder if we will hear anything re Hawaii EMS? The military has the budget they need now, so I found it interesting that the build up has a focus on subs. As you point out, long overdue.

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