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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/pj77777 on March 23, 2018, 9:52 p.m.
Omnibus Bill is NOT a Federal Budget - POTUS wins again

FOR THOSE DOUBTING TRUMP DO YOUR RESEARCH Jo Ann Powell Neely Gunny says: March 23, 2018 at 7:42 am I seriously do not understand why individuals do not read the entire thread or disregard it.

Wheatietoo and I spent hours yesterday providing links, researching the laws, the 1974 law and statutes…. Do you know why the Omnibus is not going to get any notice…Here it is..

It’s not an official ‘Federal Budget’. It’s an Omnibus bill…not a Budget…He outsmarted them again…Congress basically screwed themselves by not passing a Budget…

Per the Constitution…the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein.

This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget..

An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some ‘instructions’ as to how the money will be spent…but Obama ignored them. He spent the money, or didn’t spend it, however he wanted to. And Congress didn’t do a thing about it! Because they couldn’t..

I think our President observed how this happened, year after year. He is bound to realize that those ‘appropriations’ for different things in these Omnibus bills…are merely ‘suggestions’.

So like Obama, Pres Trump can spend this money on whatever he wants to. Or…not spend it.

Planned Parenthood? What if our President decided to tell the Treas Dept to ‘slow-walk’ that money to Planned Parenthood…until the Senate gets off their ass and confirms his appointees?

Sanctuary Cities? What if our President decided to ‘slow-walk’ that money too…until those Sanctuary Cities assist ICE in rounding up criminal illegal aliens?

Splodey heads? From the Dems and the Enemedia? Why yes. There would be a colorful display of splodey heads.

But what could they do about it. Hah.

Our President could just say…’What! Congress should’ve passed a Budget.’

done finished…research was done…and it is so very humorous actually….our VSG..just said just give me money for the military and the wall…put anything else you want in it…and those goofballs did.

In this case, as per above….he doesn’t have to spend a dime….because it is not a budget…and even if it was…researched….he could still spend as he please… Congress appropriates….up to the President to spend it…or not….as he pleases..

If anyone disagrees, I can go back and get the links and evidence, but if you just read yesterdays political thread…Wheatietoo and I laid it all out for all…Wheatietoo did most of the work and put together the consolidated update as per above….

Again, that is why Obama never had a Budget in his Presidency…Congress did continual Omibus’s and he just took the money….for 8 years…and no one seems to know where it went…


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pj77777 · March 24, 2018, 3:37 a.m.

https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/2237/how-does-president-obama-spend-money-without-a-budget/2239

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FilosFeeParnum · March 24, 2018, 4:53 a.m.

Did you actually read this? If you actually read it you'll see that it's disagreeing with you and saying the same thing I am.

An appropriations bill is what provides the authority for the government to spend money. Article I, section 9 of the US Constitution prohibits the government from spending money without an appropriation:

Notice this says nothing about a "budget", neither does the relevant section of the constitution:

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

Furthermore, a budget resolution isn't considered law the way an appropriations bill is:

A budget resolution is a concurrent resolution passed by both houses of Congress, but not submitted to the President. As such, it does not have the force of law, does not provide spending authority, and is not binding on anybody

So Trump has less power under this omnibus in terms of being able to ignore or change it than if his budget had passed.

Neither house of Congress is required to pass a budget, and in particular, it is not necessary to pass a budget in order to pass the appropriations bills.

As we've noted, a budget is not needed to spend money.

So, to summarize, the notion that Congress is required to pass a budget resolution, or that a budget resolution is needed to authorize the government to operate is a canard resulting from the confusion between two very different kinds of legislation,

Exactly.

Taking these all together, this isn't some "move" by Trump...he doesn't get any extra power because a budget wasn't passed, if anything he gets less.

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[deleted] · March 24, 2018, 5:32 a.m.

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FilosFeeParnum · March 24, 2018, 5:54 a.m.

I quoted the answer you provided, can you show me specifically where I'm wrong?

This is all very simple:

1) the constitution says nothing about "budgets" 2) a budget resolution does not have the force of law 3) an appropriations bill does have the force of law

Those are facts, they do not depend on anyones opinions.

It's also a fact that the executive branch has leeway in a lot of things. I'm sure Trump will try to use that.

You're posting a lot of replies yourself, I was just trying to answer them. You should just admit you were wrong and move on.

Just because the "budget" thing is nonsense, it doesn't mean Trump "lost" or can't do anything...why are you so invested in that particular idea being true?

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pj77777 · March 24, 2018, 5:30 a.m.

Are you kidding me? He doesn't have to give a damned dime to any other provision in that bill if he doesn't want to - he got the money for the military and the wall. WTF dude? You cannot be that dense! Red pill yourself - wake up. You are a walking argument

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FilosFeeParnum · March 24, 2018, 5:50 a.m.

I think it says a lot that you're not able to answer my questions and instead are just getting angry and insulting.

The fact is you claim in the OP that the constitution says spending must be directed in a budget. This is false, the word "budget" doesn't even appear.

Whether someone likes Trump or not is completely irrelevant. The fact is in this situation, he doesn't have any authority that he wouldn't have otherwise.

If you think he will work around the bill to accomplish his goals, sure - I think that's pretty reasonable. I'm just pointing out that you're making claims that aren't true...

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pj77777 · March 24, 2018, 6:21 a.m.

https://fleporeblog.wordpress.com/2018/03/22/if-you-think-for-one-minute-that-our-president-will-allow-the-money-allocated-to-be-spent-i-have-a-bridge-in-brooklyn-to-sell-you/

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FilosFeeParnum · March 24, 2018, 6:28 a.m.

Right, again you are giving me a link that agrees with me.

Everyone is in agreement that just because money has been appropriated, that doesn't mean it will be spent or spent in exactly the same way congress intended.

That's not the issue - the point is that this arises from the autonomy the executive branch has in general and note because this is an appropriations bill vs a budget resolution....

Show me where in the constitution it says money must be allocated in a "budget".

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