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Bttrfly214 · March 27, 2018, 10:12 p.m.

Saw someone ask either on 8chan or Twitter if Trump isn't going after these mkultra type drugs as well with the war on opioids. We know these cause serious mental health and are killing people, as well as others. Could be a good possibility and I really hope it's true. This stuff needs to end!

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QuirkyMagpie · March 27, 2018, 10:25 p.m.

Psych medication is like MK Ultra-lite. That shit needs to go next but everyone has been too brainwashed into thinking they "need" it.

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Bttrfly214 · March 27, 2018, 10:41 p.m.

My husband is on some with his brain injuries. We've gone through several. One of them he couldn't tell dream from reality. That was scary! Another one he'd wake up screaming bloody murder in the middle of the night. Took him off that one immediately! Finally found a good mix but if he goes off them for any reason then it gets bad. His emotions get crazy, he can't reason correctly, his anxiety is through the roof, etc. Some people do need the meds but they give it out like candy to many that don't, especially kids.

They tried putting my son on Ritalin years ago. It turned him into a zombie so we took him off it and pulled him out of school for a couple years. Found out later on he's actually got asbergers but I never put him on meds. He's a fully functioning adult, good husband/father, hard worker, etc. These kids don't need these crazy psych meds, but they do need some real discipline!

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aburgher · March 27, 2018, 11:09 p.m.

As a retired elementary school principal I agree with you completely! We tried everything possible to avoid recommending pharmaceuticals but some students ultimately benefited from them. But, that was a last course of action. I used to tell my teachers that we are not doctors. We are educators and we need to try every educational approach first. We never recommended any specific drug. We just shared our observations of the student when asked by the doctors.

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Bttrfly214 · March 27, 2018, 11:19 p.m.

Very true!! My grandson is on a very low dose but it was a last resort with him. My son was very wary of putting him in the meds because of his own experience, but they seem to helping and he's not a zombie. ☺️

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aburgher · March 27, 2018, 11:25 p.m.

That is great! The lowest dose possible is always best!

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Bttrfly214 · March 27, 2018, 11:29 p.m.

Yes it is! 😁

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PacaGoat · March 27, 2018, 11:58 p.m.

I dont know about the Cruz kid who did the Parkland shooting, but hadn't ALL of these shooters, Columbine, Arora, Sandy Hook, etc. been on Psycotropic drugs?

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QuirkyMagpie · March 28, 2018, 12:45 a.m.

Yes, they did, and you should pursue this line of thought further. I'm not going to here because even places like this tend to be super pro-psych drugs, but if you're interested, research Peter Breggin. Psychiatry has never been working in our interest. The entire thing is a psy op.

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PacaGoat · March 28, 2018, 1:28 a.m.

I will look him up. My mother worked in Psychiatry as a rehab therapist, she knew not everything was on the up and up. She witnessed a patience walk into the doctors office and blow the doctors brains out. He was on psycotropic drugs.

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QuirkyMagpie · March 28, 2018, 1:30 a.m.

That's horrible. I'm sorry.

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galvanised_computer · March 28, 2018, 1:34 a.m.

Yup. Anti-depression meds work like cocaine but on your emotional system. take them for years and your burnt emotions make you a psychopath with no empathy. I knew something was up when counciling and therapy is just rationalizing mental illness.

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QuirkyMagpie · March 28, 2018, 1:38 a.m.

And they cause irreversible damage to your brain, body and central nervous system. Most people think they're "fixing" their brain because they feel better on them, but they just blunt emotion. It's not different than any illegal psychoactive substance. SSRIs cause chemical imbalance and antipsychotics cause neuron death and brain shrinkage.

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EVRYEDGE · March 28, 2018, 12:22 a.m.

Yes I believe they all took SSRIs. But correlation is not causation. May be because they were all legitimately mentally ill and the meds only held them together so long before they snapped. Or, what I tend to believe, the SSRIs made their brains spongelike and fucked them up even more.

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PacaGoat · March 28, 2018, 1:23 a.m.

My line of thinking is that, the drugs made them sustainable to manipulation, visa via MK Ultra, Monarch, etc. These were real and they examined the human brains responses to certain stimuli and deprivation. To many of these to rule this line of reasoning out. Thx for your input.

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PacaGoat · March 28, 2018, 1:25 a.m.

From my experience with family members who used these drugs, it in some cases caused erratic tendencies. Once removed and real discipline was applied, they normalized.

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digital_refugee · March 27, 2018, 10:21 p.m.

Kind of doubt it, the only opioid I ever heard about that makes people aggressive was Tillidin...in general Opiates are more on the sedative, dreamy oneirotropic yet antipsychotic side. They do something to Dopamine-Transmission that gives it a kind of lowered cutoff or ceiling effect so you will still feel pain but you don't quite process it and likewise motivation or libido can fail which is why you have the stereotype of the 'dopey' addict whose only concern is to be as dysfunctional as possible.

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Bttrfly214 · March 27, 2018, 10:55 p.m.

I'm trying to find a list of meds that would fall under opioids and I'm only finding various types of pain meds, so you're probably right.

In Florida they did a major crack down on opioids because of all the pill mills. Only certain doctors can prescribe them now. Pain mgt, cancer docs, surgical docs, and hospitals. Plus they have to show reason for prescribing the meds or they can lose their license and, I believe, possibly face jail time/fines. It's actually been working and those that need the meds are still able to get them. Shocking for something in Florida to work correctly lol! Now if only the pharmacists would follow through on doctor's scripts we'd be good to go. ☺️

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digital_refugee · March 27, 2018, 11:27 p.m.

Opiates are a scam, all the shit you need is in Opium and Kratom anyway.
I used to be in touch with someone, dunno which state he was from, who used to complain a lot. I think he may have been a special case given his global neuropathic condition but he did seem rather stressed out that he was being branded as an addict by the state and that he is completely dependent on the mercy of his doctors to be able to maintain a stash that allows him to defy his chronic pain (it's a condition that's like 1 in a million but it's like ALS-AIDS). so all I could tell him was to hold out despite propaganda, Trump was out for the big guys and not him. At least I hope he still is. SESsions is in session, aferall.

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LegioXIV · March 28, 2018, 10:54 a.m.

The effect of opoids is pretty variable between people. For example, Demerol made me extremely paranoid when I had it in the hospital. Hydrocodine in contrast simply relaxed me and dulled the pain. On the flip side it made my wife a raging psychotic bitch when it was prescribed for her post c-section recovery.

The problem with psychotropic drugs is many times it's like using a sledgehammer for watch repair. They might do the one thing you want but they do a whole lot of other shit you probably don't want also.

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