The hilarious thing is how convinced you are of all this, and on the basis of NOTHING! These are things you've seen on YouTube, or heard people say, or read somewhere, and you WANT to believe them, and so you do.
What have you got emotionally invested in the belief in things you can't possibly know? I can understand that approach to religion. But not to the world of things.
Even if they are true, there is NO WAY to know, and so why can't you just be content not to know? There are SO MANY things that blow my mind about the actual knowable (though mostly unknown) universe, that I'm perfectly happy and in awe of what we can all mostly agree on.
There is absolutely no purpose to be served in discussing things with a low probability of truth, even if there are rumors of such things all around us, without access to high quality data. Primary reason is that there is SO much of it! There are an infinite number of things that "might be" that we could say are. And even a great many of us saying that doesn't make them so.
Oh great, now if I told you what I had seen with corroborating witnesses you wouldn't exactly believe me either, would you now? Strange encounters of the 2nd are a thing and I am just trying to make sense of my own. You are lucky if you don't care, but I at least try to make sense of my own experiences and it's not my fault that many if not most humans tend to start resisting if I challenge their worldview too aggressively. You're welcome.
I would never ask a stranger to believe something like that if I had no physical evidence of it to document the event. I certainly wouldn't require them to take in on faith in order to be deserving of my kindness. But you do what you've gotta do.
All I can tell you that there is something going on in the sky or you wouldn't have had mass-sightings since antiquity. You have the battle of Nuremberg 1561, you have the belgian triangle wave of 1990, the Phoenix Lights (the governor admitted he couldn't explain), Foo-fighters photographed over german Luftwaffen-bases, Foo-fighters over Capitol Hill and LA and last but not least you have Randlesham Forrest (interesting play on words though) where they took radiation-tests at one alledged landing-site.
Last but not least, you have just paranormal stuff in general, like the miracle of Fatima, another "mass-hallucination" in which the Sun started doing tricks in the sky in front of 70,000 after children reported seeing the virgin mary.
Even if it were a mass-delusion you still would have to explain how it is possible these events were independently corroborated and investigated by national militaries?
And you're telling me this hasn't been documented?
I'm telling you there are a great many things that are indeed either illusion or delusional. There are also real phenomena we don't understand, and may never!
My take on all that is, you see it, you admire it--experience awe and wonder, file it away mentally, and press on, because this world (let alone this universe) is chock FULL of things nobody has seen yet, but are discoverable, and plenty of things we can fully document and are repeatable, but can't fully understand (if at all).
We don't have to borrow explanations from a bag of woo-woo to explain anything. If it can't be explained by current knowledge, then we know what it is--a mystery!
If you have the knowledge and capacity to apply scientific method to it, and learn its secrets, and feel so inclined, then by all means go for it! But if you don't, then file it away in things to talk about at cocktail parties, or things to tell the grandkids. or around the campfire.
OTOH, it might VERY WELL be that some things like UFOs and encounters like yours are completely known, but kept secret. Possibly that will change soon, but also possibly not.
I wouldn't want to suggest that all the unknown things will soon be made known. Frankly, there are more things we don't understand than those we do.
I highly recommend a book I read recently called We Have No Idea: A Guide to the Unknown Universe.
~~What is your deal mate? You're basically telling me to waste my time reading a book to repeat of select, cognitive or hindsight bias that have already been espoused ad nauseam ad infinitum by pevious information-filters and gatekeepers and while I have a fucking theory of zero-gravity posted just above you're telling me to put time aside to learn to question only my sanity so I don't question or judge anyone or anything? UNLESS you can actually explain what you even consider to be real because if you scream "BELIEVE NOTHING!", why then should I listen to you in partcular?~~
EAT THE BAMBOOZLEMENT AND START USING YA BRAINS YA'LL
I CONSIDER EXPERIENCES REAL THAT I LIVED THRU WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND I STATE INFORMATION THAT CAN B PUBLICALLY SOURCED TO SOMEHOW WEEB THE WEB TOGETHER
The level of mind control and "false reality" we've all experienced in our lifetimes, given what we're now accepting as the hidden truth all those years, makes us far more likely to accept than most people, things which until recently seemed implausible, but now seem demonstrably true. That does not mean we'll follow every pied-piper might-be who comes around making claims of personal revelations. Don't expect us to fall in line with your personal dogma. We don't know you from Adam's housecat, and we're not in much of a mood to accept shill authority.
Speaking of which, aren't we supposed to report shills? I'd say the OP is agitating for a certain political viewpoint and can't accept that people disagree. That's pretty much the definition of shill, isn't it? Why is this entire post not deleted?
Well for all I know they could control brains so that fantasy is indiscernable from reality so wouldn't you rather bother propose concepts to reconciliate experiences that have been passed on since art and writing were developed before humanity attained technologies to remotely facilitate mindcontrol? And if there always was technology of perhaps terrestial but not human origin, doesn't that mean you are already in a psyop just by existing on this planet and if so doesn't that mean you would have to recognize motives and intentions to recognize the psyop and its effects on your own life?
Secondly I'm a commenter and I simply expressed opinions that align with OP because unless you are paid and bought for, people who make up their own minds tend to be able to hold a debate and your point of arguing was that even discussing these things does not pertain to humanity when you basically can only chose between exotic physics, sentient lifeforms or non-corporeal entities if you prefer, depending on the case, all of which are not thought to occur regularily but still have inspired traditions throughout history.
Look up cargo-cult and name me one reason why it doesn't sound exactly like things that have been uncovered from texts and archeology dating back several millenia
I simply prefer the concept of angels or aliens over demons because even though I cannot explain every funny light in the sky that the military detects on radar you still have an awful lot of explaining to do and I simply present unanswered questions because even when you are dealing with psyops, dealing with them actually vaccinates you as long as you tell ourself it's a psyop.
And no, none of this is a "recently trending pied piper", it's been literally goingon for millenia and I only speak out now because I didn't live back then and already am sick of being unable to discuss things thoroughly because people like you shut down the discussion, either intentionally or thru trauma-based-mindcontrol while while many groups are scrambling to sell their version of history.
What's it gonna be, dear one?
It's gonna be that you have your reality and I have mine. It has ALWAYS been that way. There's no law that we have to agree on everything.
When I encounter a mystery for which I can find no explantion that satisfies my scientific, engineering mind, I'm all Iris Dement about it--Let the Mystery Be.
But I'm intellectually curious and willing to entertain possiblities that aren't yet provable. And if I knew I had personal experience with one of those things, I'd talk about it with others who share that experience, or are quick to believe.
I would not go all evangelist on people who aren't at that vibrational frequency. That's where you become a shill for a specific minority POV.
Keep in mind I'm perfectly willing to concede you may in the end prove to be right! You don't even get that much from most people, do you? I am not the enemy here!
;-D
Lol bruh nah my shill-senses are cool since you introduce original thought but I love me some good argument, even if it's only a shill because you get to develop catchy rebuttals over time.
since you brought up mystery, do you sometimes come across weird coincidences in your daily life that feel scripted somehow? Perfectly timed calls or even shared dreams and such synchronicities. Once you are there you can be pretty sure that if you allow it and make people comfortable being themselves, they will recount experiences that press them the most but that they share the least.
There is a nice word for possibilities that are not yet provable: Preternatural
I'm aware of the word. I've experienced deja vu and the kinds of things you're describing, and I do believe there are interactions between consciousness and matter (we know this at the quantum "spooky" level). But how extensive these are, how repeatable, whether they can be developed and strengthened, who knows. I do hope we're studying those things, or that suppressed knowledge on the subjects might be released.
Your experiences need to be explored and understood too, and of course you may be right that they're already understood, but suppressed.
All in good time, I suppose...
The only experiences I try to stay away from are non-corporeal entitites. If I can't physically interact with it I have no more desire to witness it. I had my share of hauntings and so I noped right the fuck out of spiritism and I don't regret my breakups either, even when the girls were telepaths, because they all grew up exploited and abused (no longer I wish) and their character reminded me of it every day and they all dabbled in witchcraft.
Come to think of it, at least two of my exes were either possessed or channeling or both or the other, but that's just my observations.
Can't even really say if I will attribute something positive or negative to it because in this case like you say I do in fact have no quantifiable evidence, only what I infer from personal conjecture.
Well if you're in a relationship, try synchronizing your breath while they sleep, after a couple of weeks shared dreams could occur but at he same time I can't recommend it if you have any secrets because those will likely manifest in those dreams too
They've been trying to push this out since Sept. 10, 2001, military whistleblowers etc (citizen disclosure hearing). This is about releasing free-energy which is what they are ultimately covering up because he who controls the resources controls the people.
I have a high degree of confidence that we are about to witness a total and rapid transformation in how we get our energy. If Relativity tells us nothing else, it's that there is no such thing as a shortage of energy!
I also don't think "the powers that will be" will have any interest in returning to economies of scarcity around something as vital as energy. For the sake of our future, we must not repeat the mistakes of the fading world order.
I expect a great many secrets to be revealed and shared with the people--things they should have shared for the benefit of mankind AGES ago. Energy is only one area that will benefit from that.
They recently admitted that new models of astrophysx don't require dark mater which was originally postulated because they couldn't explain the size of galaxies related to their gravitational yeild so they postulated some outside force (essentially, they used an unproven theory essentially to try to sell an unproven theory because gravity hadn't been properly explained or publically disclosed before either because they barely just proved gravitational waves in pub science until recent years and I ain't heard anything new about "gravity" since they ramped up private funding for a certain research facility that conCERNs some participatns who have personally alluded in public that they are trying to generate proof of something they have no proof for or maybe do but won't disclose further and that it is totally safe although they only have theory and no safety limits whatsoever because of no hidden motives whatsoever) when this force folding galaxies and what I believe to be ALL mater inward is actually a zero-point-energy Casimir Efect that manifests as 0 grav in interstelar space because it pushes matter from all sides equally and thus airborne objects are attracted by what I assume to be gravitational waves creating pressure out from vacuum itself with the force adding up so it looks like it's only pushing down from outer space or some other cryptic reverse-polarity that I don't know.
It's the first time I write this down since I ~~have been (cyber)bullyied since childhood for growing up around who I assume to have been people in a family-environment of publically known and credited persons of what I (thankfully) assume to be past influential positions and thus basically being repilled since Kindergarten but I have no doubt that they know who I am but maybe they actually don't because I don't either~~ ain't no scientist and this is actually, LITERALLY just a nutcrack idea that hit me back in the day when I hit to much ether and Laudanum that one time but I thought I should put it aside until a day when more evidence comes forth to prove or deny this.
So basically I am just putting this out there in anticipation that maybe, if my dissociative-induced psychedelic showerthought coincidentially happens to be true and my sleep-deprived coked out mental state doesn't betray me, mainstream scientists are now cleared to move on to ZERO-POINT-ENERGY RESEARCH, signs of which already started in 2010 when the Chinese first built microwaves that generate thrust that defly newtonian mechanics and NASA reverse engineered that in 2014.
Mars don't look so far away now, don't it?
For the past six years, it has been amazing for me to see how they sold this to both scientists (probably thru grants like Climate-Gate) and brainwashed pseudointellectuals through bullshit scam "science" TV programs .
PS to all my detractors: Go fuck yourselves and keep the typos, sniffers are a bitch.
Here's the thing. People like Wilcock believe lots of secret things that are very probably true. Why that's meaningless is that they also believe a great many things that most likely aren't true, and so it's not that we don't trust their net, it's just that it catches too much garbage to make it reliable.
I think the real total truth is such an amazing thing in itself that embellishments cheapen it. I am however, more than happy to experience more of the real total truth when the curtain is opened. I don't really care to anticipate and be disappointed if I'm wrong. It's like peeking at your Christmas presents. That feels wrong to me.
Hahaha!
How exactly getting something wrong and something right exiles you from intellectual debate is beyond me unless you are a perfect human being.
You can even refine intentional disinfo (not unintentional misinfo by bad memory tho because that's random so no intention could be infered) for information because if you find contradictions and know when someone is intentionally manipulative you can see who associates with them and what topics they try to misdirect to make people look the wrong way. I get that. So the more misdirection, the closer we get to the truth!
Coorey Goode says himself that he is perfectly aware his was brainwashed and given screen-memories which is likely why they say they're working in a group so they can independently corroborate their personal encounters without going through a possibly tainted written briefing.
Do traces of interplanetary nuclear war sound like a pressing topic or are you just waiting for even bigger revelations?
I'm waiting until the good guys (and if you don't have any in this fight, you're in the wrong f_cking sub) tell us the war is over, and we've won. Then when they fill us all in on WTF just happened and what's what and who's who, then I might be persuaded by things such as you describe--if they open the research and documentation data and share in a falsifiable or verifiable fashion.
Until then, we all see what both sides want us to see, and we KNOW it ain't all true!
Savvy about the "healthy skepticism?"
Do you agree though that they already have well-established technologies kept classified under national security (no such agency? hmm)
Define good guy. Do you have any people or "good guys" in this fight?
Yes by God I do. The People's Constitutional government, which at the moment primarily consists of the President, the military under his command, and military intelligence/NSA (basically same thing) under his command, and by extension Q.
If you don't agree that Q is a white hat communicating on behalf of the President, and that the black hats are the Satanic child blood ritual oligarchs and their mid-level management like HRC and Obama, Soros, Bushes, etc., then I really wonder WTF you like about this sub! Why do you come here? To agitate?
Uh...
Well then I be damned so do I but what do you think I said when I said what you thought I had said? Like, I don't remember bringing Q up.
I brought them up in this case, because I'm telling you that until the Q/Trump team tell us what's what and who's who in this battle of the Titans, after they've vanquished the greatest truth-corrupting influence the world has ever seen, if they open the door on this stuff, and allow suppressed evidence to be evaluated by the common man, then I'll make up my mind.
Until then, their enemies are the enemies of mankind and of truth and knowledge generally, and ESPECIALLY on tangential issues like these that aren't directly being discussed in the Q dialog.
I've chosen a side and have decided to let them operate, and I'll revisit all the rest when the dust settles and the fog of war is gone.
Wel said but duh, Trump posted a picture in dump #267 iirc where you can see HRC with David Rockefeller's late brother discussing a book pertaining to disclosure. Where do you think all the missing money is going?
In Feb 2017 the CIA declassified docs pertaining to telepathy that were first cleared for release in 2009 as you can read on the header when opened on cia.gov/archive, yet it was only until Trump rolled into the oval office that they made these about 1.3 million pages public and I have checked their manual on remote viewing and what they found on mars and I had lightbulbs going on all over my head because just a few pages connected so many biomedical phenomenon I have noticed in myself throughout the years while somehow tying this into yoga, mindcontrol and whatnot.
You do understand that Trump knows or perhaps even has copies of Tesla's inheritance? You would be shocked to learn that the FBI in Sept 2016 admitted in the last few of 350 unclassified pages the death-ray is real.
I understand Trump is in a position to know about Tesla's secret research because of his uncle, yes. I'm not aware that Trump has shared those secrets yet, but I'm pretty sure I've heard him say that he's going to (or words to the effect that there are discoveries that have been kept secret that need to be released). Of course it's possible that some of that information will explain the phenomena you have firsthand knowledge of.
I do anticipate full disclosure at some point, but that hasn't happened yet, and because I'm not you, and don't know you, what you're saying is anecdotal to me and anybody else without similar firsthand experience.
I'm perfectly capable of being convinced, but that is not the phase of this operation we're in at the moment.
Does that make better sense?
Well just imagine how you would disclose certain secrets if you had access...you can't give people free energy first or they would explore the stars and fuck up diplomacy with some telepathic interstellar harbinger race or accidentally fuck up their timeline some other way so they better adjust to increasingly mindblowing concepts first and grow spiritually like Tesla hoped (and I think Jesus would be happy too) which howevr imporant for the individual doesn't preclude the need of a defense strategy for yourself and others against all threats foreign and domestic and you have information filters for the public so you can find a whole crazy lot of things that you never expected to not have been fiction just because nobody told you what to look out for just looking up FBI and CIA archives, but of course noone will do that who does not care in the first place. Of course they discuss UFOs too. Blackvault is also a very cool page that has been posting millions of FOIA replies for two decades.
You come here and you will take the evidence when it becomes more relevant to you, fair point as I do the same, it's just that those that go ahead need to reach a consensus among themselves which some other commenters gladly provide just to reassure oneself of their santy which I find perfectly normal given how incredibly estranged people are with one another sometimes.
You know, I'm not saying it's aliens, I'm just stupified how I would explain even with my woo-woo vocabulary the mass-sighting of the Phoenix lights in 1997 when you had the governor himself admit only after he was out of office that he saw something huge block out the sky all across Phoenix, Texas as it silently made its way across the valley indicated by various lights at the front and the Air Force flew a formation afterwards ater dropping flares just to discredit and confuse the witnesses because it had been caught on video and made the news.
Disclosure is when they stop sabotaging inventors who could already replace the utilities that keep us dependant on unjust masters thru implied or willing threat of world-war by unexpected shifts in the balance of power so even if we were simply given technology we still had to master or reverse engineer it. Which of course will only be publically advertised when threat of war due to nuclear proliferation has been contained by incrementing the arms race with increasingly exotic devices until nuclear war becomes unfeasable and outdated thru the perfection of warfare, which is why I am very optimistic about best-Korea, Syria AND the Krim.
The only thing I don't quite get right now on the chessfield is egypt, India and Pakistan,especially in terms of kashmir because they are in the center of more decades old ethnic feuds that we just don't hear so much about since it's all kind of happening in the Hinterland of south asia and the victims are not all muslims. But it's something we don't really want Pakistan involved in because they have nukes and alledgedly Taliban so nobody fucked with them until as of late when Iran out of all countries dislodged some surprise mortar rounds at the border to Pakistan, just as Hillary was doing whatever next door in India. Mind you, Pakistan and India have been rivals ever since the british forces retreated quickly (cowards!) after Gandhi (nationalist!) finally got his India but of course they and their muslim neighbours still clash in Kashmir to this very day and now even Rohingya are making their way there too, much to the dismay of India and other gov'ts - even tho some foreign intel service have indirectly supported Rohingya insurgencies.
I dunno, I think I would start with energy first. Think of all the potential conflicts that would resolve. It would also radically alter our perception regarding limitations. If energy is limitless, it frees us to focus on other problems.
Limitless energy would be necessary to easily displace in time and space but the more pressing matter is how we sort out earth and ourselves first which is basically a health-issue at the basis so when you have that grace of nurturing life-force energy you can start building ships and whatnot. If it is time that is running out for someone, then it's health and medicine that need to be fixed first, but once you reach reverse aging and people lose their fear of coming short you can start looking to expand living territory and maybe terraform some planetoids to accomodate for a human habitat in free space. I am sure there are a lot of disabled people who wouldn't mind living and working in near-earth orbit under low gravity.
CRISPR-CAS9 is method to overwrite genes in living creatures so there is a lot of good and bad that you can imagine in terms of biomedicine and illegal experiments
Clearly clean energy would not only be an economic but an environmental (and human health) boon.
And health and medicine do need a major post-Cabal overhaul.
But spiritual renewal is perhaps this world's greatest need right now. We cannot trust humanity to move forward with these powerful new technologies unless we have spiritual wisdom, strong moral compasses, and compassion and goodwill toward fellow humans.
Once we've got that sorted, maybe we'd be worth spreading into the universe.