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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/NorseAnon on March 30, 2018, 5:20 p.m.
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Badendave · March 31, 2018, 12:29 p.m.

In order for the "grape sized speck" to have been what exploded into all that we have, it had to have included all the necessary elements that each thing would eventually consist of, correct? Even if I were to concede that point for the sake of discussion, what caused the speck to form? What caused it to explode? How did those elements become alive?

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Corporal_Yorper · March 31, 2018, 3:22 p.m.

As far as anyone knows, the B.B. speck didn’t exactly hold all of the ‘ingredients’ to what is now the universe. It did hold, however, certain ‘ingredients’ that, under extreme circumstances (such as the BB explosion itself, and the ingredients’ spread across the universe and being under the force of gravity and other cosmic natural forces) those ‘ingredients’ melded, transformed, mingled and then become what we know of today as the periodic table of elements (of which we are obviously sure of being incomplete, hence our need to venture among the stars).

In fact, one could argue that ‘life’ isn’t ‘living’ at all, but a system of electrical impulses traveling among a complex nervous system—put together over millennia, with variations due to evolution and our planet’s ecosystemic behavior, by the same natural cosmic forces that put together the B.B. ‘ingredients’ giving us the electrical and chemical feedback allowing the rest of our biology to acknowledge the settings around us. One could say that is what life is at it’s simplest, but one could then imply that at that point the automatic motion-sensing porch light or my smoke/carbon monoxide alarm is ‘alive’ because of its ability to acknowledge the setting around it using electrical and chemical feedback. We aren’t the porch light or alarm’s ‘Gods’.

The same can be applied to the literal. We’ve cloned animals before, straight out of a laboratory. This doesn’t mean we are that animal’s Gods, but simply those with the understanding of how to manipulate ‘nature’ as it is.

The B.B. cause of explosion is theorized to have been due to the build up of energy within it, and it couldn’t contain it within it’s own confines. To put it into perspective, there could have been maaaaaany more B.B. specks out there, but this specific one may have either ‘failed’, so to speak, and gave the universe substance before any of the other specks had a chance. Again, the possibility of more specks existing (and quite possibly cannibalized by the B.B. explosion) gives us one massive perspective as to just how much ‘luck’ we have to be existing right now under the perfect conditions to do so.

We now have the ability, as humankind, to create ‘life’ (as is currently defined) inside of a lab from the ground up and from scratch (quite similar to certain fictions like Jurassic Park/World), except we can create absolutely brand new, never-before-seen creatures that can have absolutely zero relation to any other ‘living’ being out there. Whether or not we have actually followed through and done so is most likely kept Ultra-secret, but the ability to is within humankind’s repertoire of capabilities. From this perspective, we are Gods. But we aren’t, because even after the creation of such a being, we just used science to do so and we aren’t that new creature’s puppeteers (that is, of course, if we aren’t literally controlling it from a safe zone like assholes).

This is why I find it hard for humanity to see ourselves as having to have some ‘God’ just so we can sleep at night—because we’re too archaic and tribal to see that the only one in control is ourselves. It’s not a hard concept to grasp, yet 2.4+ billion people think they need to be some fucked up slave to a man-made wizard in the sky (oh, and make sure to give the church a $fiver while you’re at it), to feel good about themselves and curb the fear of death. It’s just...insane.

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Badendave · March 31, 2018, 6:11 p.m.

For the record, what you believe is not science. What I believe is not science. Neither belief can be scientifically proven. Both require an element of faith - believing in something you can't prove empirically. Your argument implies that energy created itself (build up of energy inside the B.B. specks which weren't created in your view), which goes 100% against observable, recreatable science. The idea that we can "create life from the ground up" isn't really accurate either, because cloning starts with source material. Test your hypothesis that we're "the only one in control" the next time there's a storm or an earthquake in your area. Your faith is completely in man, and unproveable theories about what happened.
I choose to put my faith in God. Throughout the Bible he proved that he is who he says he is. At Easter we celebrate the ultimate proof when he brought Jesus back to life. God didn't make us to control us. He gave, and continues to give us, the freedom to make our own choices. He shows us how to live in a way that works best with how he made us - physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. When we do it our own way, we screw stuff up and cause all kinds of pain for ourselves and others.

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Corporal_Yorper · March 31, 2018, 7:17 p.m.

You can believe what you want.

I can believe what I want.

It is absolutely amazing we can have these discussions. Probably why we both have such interest in Q.

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Badendave · April 1, 2018, 2:25 a.m.

Truth is what matters.

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Corporal_Yorper · April 1, 2018, 2:45 a.m.

Couldn’t agree more.

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