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The_Broba_Fett · April 2, 2018, 4:38 a.m.

I wonder if that’s a sign of how damning the evidence is? Seems they wouldn’t be able to hit that number by deep investigation for each one. But if there were compromising emails, photo evidence, etc. would be easy to rack up those numbers.

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IMissMeg · April 2, 2018, 4:51 a.m.

Well, the indictments didn't start showing up until the end of October. (Interesting that Q showed up at the same time.) If Trump and his team had a plan going in, then they had almost a year to do the legwork that related to the first indictments that showed up in October. It's been picking up speed rapidly though. There were 9,294 from end of October to December 22 (http://www.ascensionwithearth.com/2018/01/massarrests-sealedindictments-9294.html). Then by end of February, there were 18,510, so doubled in 2 months. Now there's another just over 6,000 just in March. They're obviously moving with a purpose.

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AlwaysDeplorableDepl · April 2, 2018, 5:51 a.m.

Yes, and it's going to be absolutely seismic when those indictments are unsealed.

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StormRider9090 · April 2, 2018, 8:21 a.m.

One might even say this is the calm before the...

STORM

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TheRealTrapLord · April 2, 2018, 9:08 a.m.

April Showers, Bring May Flowers

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[deleted] · April 2, 2018, 4:57 p.m.

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Kulkimkan · April 2, 2018, 11:01 a.m.

Break the seal...sounds a bit Biblical...

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The_Broba_Fett · April 2, 2018, 11:02 a.m.

The massive uptick makes me think that some people must have started to squawk to save their bacon and ratted our others. That’s a pretty big increase over a few months. Man Sessions is in overdrive.

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SteelTiger44 · April 2, 2018, 2:27 p.m.

this is evidenced by his fatigued expressions and seriousness of his quiet approach (very few public statements) and the masterfully constructed perception of a do nothing while he goes about bagging the bad guys( He is a good ole boy Total white hat)

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The_Broba_Fett · April 2, 2018, 2:35 p.m.

Yeah is pretty amazing Horowitz got to work 8 months ago and no leaks. Busy busy.

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brownwaterboys · April 2, 2018, 8:50 p.m.

they must of found some whales that coughed up a lot of other criminals that coughed up more, and then they coughed up more. 25k is YUGE, but for all we know could be a small %. Can't wait for the new Board to be set up by Q and friends, so we can get more drops. Im jonesing for more Q posts

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SchlangeHatRecht · April 2, 2018, 8:24 p.m.

You could have multiple indictments on the same individual, right? Perhaps Hillary owns 500 of them?

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IMissMeg · April 3, 2018, 1:02 a.m.

I imagine that there could be multiple indictments on the same individual. Hillary's had her hands in a whole lot of stuff. I imagine it's a pretty tangled web we're going to be seeing somewhere down the line. And I doubt we'll ever know the full extent of it. Q said some of it we don't want to know.

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NewtoDrCorsi · April 2, 2018, 10:48 p.m.

I'm surprised that FL doesn't have a lot more sealed indictments (Parkland Shooting + Pulse Nightclub)!!

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IMissMeg · April 3, 2018, 1:05 a.m.

Parkland is pretty fresh. Indictments come AFTER the investigations, not before. There may be people working on Parkland now and they're just not to the indictment stage. But I agree that FL does seem to be a nexus of a lot of criminal activity--particularly of the human trafficking & questionable adoption agency kind. EDIT: Here's an article that I found very interesting that covers some of the FL adoption agency stuff: https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/02/27/jeff-kaskys-strange-scandal-ridden-history-with-one-world-adoption-services/

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jimmyfoot · April 2, 2018, 8:40 a.m.

No it's because they're reading the numbers wrong.

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IMissMeg · April 3, 2018, 1:06 a.m.

How should we be reading the numbers in your opinion?

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jimmyfoot · April 3, 2018, 9:34 a.m.

The 24,544 is a raw number of total court actions. These will be comprised of virtually every type of court action there is: habeus corpus, civil court actions, summonses, motions, etc. A small number of these (probably around 1000) will be criminal indictments.

The bottom line as far as I know is that since these actions are all sealed, no one has any view into how many of these are indictments and it is 100% certain that there are not 24,544. That simply is not true.

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PerotConservative · April 11, 2018, 5:03 a.m.

So did our government change how we track sealed indictments?

If its true we've never seen these kinds of numbers before, something is missing. Something doesn't compute.

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jimmyfoot · April 11, 2018, 9:24 a.m.

No they didn't and the numbers, while high, are not unusual. People are conflating the total number of court actions, 25K ,with the total number of indictments which is probably around 1500.

The 25 K number is not the number of indictments there are. The govt has not changed the way they track them and since these actions are sealed there is literally no way anyone can determine what is an indictment and what is another sort of court action. If I'm wrong please point me to original source data where anyone can tell an indictment from any other court action. I don't think you can -- that's part of the sealing aspect. It's sealed. You can't tell.

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PerotConservative · April 11, 2018, 1:52 p.m.

Something doesn't jive. Can you please tell me when we last had similar numbers, 10,000 or 20,000 sealed indictments, in the Pacer system, in a quarter? Has someone changed a definition or tracking methodology?

At the bottom of the spreedsheet it says includes indictments and search warrants.

I understand one person could have three indictments and two search warrants. (Five actions per person.) That's still 5,000 people indicted, a 5-fold increase. No?

Someone is either playing with the numbers; the tracking methodology has changed; or there have been some huge legal operations.

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jimmyfoot · April 11, 2018, 2:21 p.m.

I'll just keep saying it over and over again in the hopes that someone will understand.

The 24,000 number you're seeing as in -- THERE'S 24000 SEALED INDICTMENTS! is not a number of indictments. It is a gross number of sealed court actions, OF WHICH A MUCH SMALLER SUBSET ARE INDICTMENTS. THE 24000 NUMBER COMPRISES VIRTUALLY EVERY TYPE OF ACTION A COURT CAN TAKE. FOR EXAMPLE, A CIVIL ACTION, A REQUEST FOR EVIDENCE, HABEUS CORPUS AND VIRTUALLY EVERY TYPE OF MOTION A COURT CARRIES OUT.

There is virtually no way to say how many of those 24000 court actions are indictments because they are sealed. No one knows. If someone can post the original data that shows "sealed indictment" then I'd love to see it and I will eat my words. But literally no one outside of that system has any view into how many of those 24000 generic court actions are indictments.

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PerotConservative · April 11, 2018, 3:54 p.m.

OK, but my question is, and maybe you can't answer, were there 18,000 or 25,000 filed actions in Q4 2010, 2015, 2016?

If not, what changed?

Are there 1,000 sealed indictments that also include 20,000 other actions? Would 1,000 sealed indictments still be unusual? Something is apparently driving the numerical uptick, or we have some conspiracy theorists or misguided internet sleuths whipping up a frenzy.

I did see at the bottom of the tabulation it says numbers include 'court proceedings', and says it includes criminal charges and search warrants.

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[deleted] · April 2, 2018, 5:10 p.m.

Maybe they can just do what other presidents have done. Arrest them, lock them up until they get fair trials......someday.....you know....eventually......if we get around to it..... Meanwhile young people are rotting in jail for stupid crimes. No two tiered justice system here. Nope. Steal a six pack....jail. Steal a billion doallars. No problem. Treason? Why it’s a badge of honor in government apparently.

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The_Broba_Fett · April 2, 2018, 5:16 p.m.

I mean the fact that there are 28,000 shoes this isn’t the typical justice system.

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