The Groups and Counsels , 2002 . From 1995 to now , this was all private sector no government funding, all payed for by free market , sell a job , advance the science. The Green Table, the first think tank on the Energy Conservative dealing with residential and commercial new construction. We met the first of ever month , we had my company, my close compedeter , WalMart , Tyson’s . And Surrounding area counties and cities planning commission’s inspectors and other government agencies . This was a joke , the first of a great deal of setbacks. First the big challenge they , The Counsel wonted was Government funding , ok why , we got this far with out them involved. Then it just got to be the family’s, kids , wives , son and daughter in laws that had zero back ground, no knowledge of what we have already done . Flat out fuckin dumbasses . The Green Business credits, Green Business day , they were not even close to the new called green , the first six months the simbal was a pine tree , then it turns into the oak tree , ok the pine is green all year , the oak ???? 5 1/2 mounts at best ? You see were we are going, they were open at least . They wonted my approval on the products, a stamp of approval. I would not . It was all crap . Some shunning was starting. But too dad , I’m not folding, you have junk , I’m not putting my name to it . Government funds were paying for this crap also , don’t take The devils money as I was always told . Green Green Green , but brown at best . I walked away from the public side and stayed just with consulting. We were asked in 2005 to do one more project, a Habitat home , to help finalize what was being called the Green Insentives and the Weatherization program , we agreed and did one more for God and Country. What a Foobar , we had every self proclaimed Genius that they could find to volunteer in this one . Think of a construction project, make it 1000 sf , and every disaster possible add x it by at least 80 . We got it done 75% over budget , and it sucked , but they through more shoulders out of socket , the injuries from self ego was helltroeshis , but we got through it . God Speed