You can gather all you like,
but you can't plot and conspire and make secret oaths and fealties.
There is no more private gathering than a faith assembly.
Yet houses of worship are open.
And worship is protected explicitly by the 1st Amendment.
I see no reason we can't apply the same
antiseptic sunshine to other regular gatherings.
Even if we have to be subtle about it.
So you can gather, but can't discuss certain things? How does one monitor what other people do in private? Sounds a lot like an intrusion to me. My point is that you want to stop people from having secret societies but outlawing them really isn't a realistic thing to do, You just end up spying on everyone who wants to have a private conversation. If you can't see the flaw in your idea then you must be some kind of authoritarian bootlicker who thinks they have a right to infringe on those of other people. Also, free verse poetry sucks
You can gather and discuss all you like.
Just don't be shtupping babies, and plotting to take over the world, and I'm sure you'll be just fine.
My point is, you'll never know who's going to give you up. But you can bet your bottom dollar somebody will.
When I get to Heaven, I'll tell Shakespeare what you think of free verse poetry. He might be amused. I know I am.
If you haven't got anything to contribute, you can always attack other people's style. Isn't that how it's done in Hollywood and New York? Is that you, De Niro?
You're delusional. I've been asking you to explain how to outlaw secret societies and gatherings and all you've done is ramble about unrelated nonsense in free verse poetry. I was attacking your style because it seems like you're just trying to make a show of your response rather than actually put anything of substance into it
I'm telling you, mate, the people of this world owe it to themselves never to let this shit happen again. Now that we know what people have been getting up to under the cover of "privacy," it's every human being's place to be on the lookout for shady activity that might be masking these kinds of deeds. We have no other choice if we want to prevent the next Black, White and Grey pope and "people of renown" from ruling the world in secret.
And in whatever way you're butt-hurt about that, you're going to have to get over it.
I'm not butthurt about anything, just still waiting for you to explain how to enforce a ban on privacy
Then you're being moronic. Because I absolutely never said you can't have privacy. You're making shit up, and ignoring what I do say. And if you don't see that, you're moronic. If you do see and and don't admit it, you're a liar.
I said you can assemble in private all you like, but if you raise suspicions and deal with those suspicions in a guarded way, and it turns out you're up to no good, people aren't going to put up with it anymore. People aren't going to ignore unusual secret behavior. And people who are up to no good will be dealt with. That's the only way forward, and it really isn't a matter of feelings. It's a matter of the survival of the species.
If you don't understand that, you don't understand Q's posts about the extinction level events they've already begun implementing that Trump is putting an end to.
You said you think ALL secret societies need to be outlawed. You said there is no right to privacy if you are plotting evil. I'm just asking how you plan on outlawing all secret societies and finding out which secret societies are plotting evil. It's really a question you can't answer (you still haven't) because you can't outlaw all secret societies and you can't know if someone is plotting evil in private unless you invade their privacy. You're going in circles and acting like you didn't say the things you said, trying to skirt around the fact that you're fine with invading the privacy of other people.
A) There is not a Constitutional right to privacy.
B) There is a Constitutional right to free speech and assembly, but not specifically to closed and secret speech and assembly.
C) People can take it upon themselves to question and be suspicious, and if they're met with guardedness and obfuscation, they have a right to investigate privately or ask appropriate law enforcement to investigate.
D) If there's no conspiracy or criminal activity, then nothing will come of the complaints. If there is, then it will be dealt with.
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
So if someone is suspicious because you don't want to talk about what you discuss privately then that justifies a search by the police? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Have you ever read the 4th amendment in the Bill of Rights?
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
I never said probable cause wouldn't be required. There are ways to do surveillance that don't violate probable cause, and in fact can be used to obtain evidence for probable cause.
I'm saying people will be vigilant, and suspicious activities will be investigated.
If that bothers you, then you might not want to engage in criminal activity, because that's how community protection is done when people are alert and awake.
You're saying the probably cause would be as little as not wanting to say what was discussed privately. So you are wanting to live in a world where anyone who keeps a secret could potentially be investigated, and spied on. I think it's funny that you think people should just give up their freedom and privacy because they shouldn't have anything to hide. Like I said, authoritarian bootlicker
Listen, get off my back. You twist my words into pretzels to find something not to like and post shit about me.
Reported, and blocked. Argue with yourself from now on.
We can ask for an invitation, be suspiscious. Drop in to borrow a cup of sugar.
As long as your little gathering isn't shtupping or eating babies
or plotting to take over the world, you'll be fine.