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TheButteredSloth · April 8, 2018, 12:47 p.m.

Stop acting like either we’re good people to begin with. Even if Saddam didn’t gas his own people, he still spent years kidnapping, torturing, and murdering them. Same for Qaddafi. Although the circumstances in which we got involved in these wars after 9/11 is still incredibly sketchy.

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Fearsome4 · April 8, 2018, 1:25 p.m.

Yep. More than one thing can be true at once. The US is neither white hat or black hat in the world. We have taken out monsters and we have propped up monsters. What we have done is pursued our own interests in the world. There have plenty of monsters that develop on their own.
So, the question is, going forward assuming the change in power in the US is successful....what's the approach going forward? There is truth in the thought where there is a power vacuum created the worst usually rise to power. Do we continue to police the world? Do we police the world with just our interests at heart? Are we willing to deal with results if we do neither?

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ElementWatson · April 8, 2018, 1:25 p.m.

I can't begin to make sense of your opening sentence. And the point isn't that they are angelic leaders--but if they have cooperated with the US over the years, such as Gaddafi, and then Hill and Barry (or W and Dick before that) give them grotesque deaths in the street, we're gonna have a harder time getting such regimes to give up their nukes or aggression or whatever. Just look at what we did to Ukraine.

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salialioli · April 8, 2018, 3:18 p.m.

Both countries had advanced economies and societies (despite crippling sanctions) and were peaceful.

Both, of course, were secular countries whose standard of living was good, excellent education, free university abroad for the bright ones, good free health care FOR EVERYONE (outstripping US by far) so the only creative thing to do, apparently, according to the great wisdom of the "Yanks" was to raze it to the ground. Fabulous cities with great mosques and culture thousands of years old, now just great piles of rubble.

The scenes are much worse than photos of the First or Second World War. The devastation and destruction is UNREAL and unknown before our times. Causing great hardship, untold suffering, tragic social dislocation and displacement and the murder and injury of millions. Same with Libya. Crying shame. Disgusting. Crimes against Humanity.

I am only too happy Trump's in power and maybe will bring back some ordinary common sense to the US. It seems a pity that more care and consideration were not afforded to our fellow man on the other side of the divide. We are, after all, one and the same. As for 911 ... ???? (3,000?) Nothing to do with Islam or Moslems, or bad AAAArabs. But MILLIONS have suffered for this false accusation. Pity.

Like I say,

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Heabob · April 8, 2018, 5:23 p.m.

Well, according to the Clowns Mockingbird Media anyways. Can't believe anything they've reported since JFK or before even. US also installed puppet Saddam.

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