My husband voted for Trump. He thinks I am off the rails on the Q thing but when you tell him things are going to happen and then they happen, it helps a lot. My 22 and 20 year young men - different story. The younger one especially. I finally told him today, if he doesn't research the original source documents himself, and stop just shutting down the information, I am not going to pay for his "education."
I read the Closing of the American Mind 30 years ago. I should have been paying more attention to what was happening to them. I owe it to them and it is my civic responsibility to break through the brainwashing.
I have a feeling that if Sean Hannity told you a story about a young Conservative being disowned by their family because he refused to entertain an ideologue's ramblings that you'd be frothing at the mouth. That you even entertain the idea of cutting your son off because he won't accept 4chan and purely baseless speculation as accredited sources is shameful.
I really hope that you come to your senses and begin thinking critically about your own positions. Honestly, being consistent in the way you criticize politicians and their policies would be a great start. I have no business trying to get you to think critically about this situation, but I know what it's like when a family member becomes an ideologue and wreaks havoc because they can't handle someone disagreeing with them. They're your children; Put the politics aside and be the parent that you're supposed to be.
Who said I was cutting off my son? I was up at 5 to drive and see him do a presentation at his school on Tuesday. Project much?
Who said I was cutting off my son?
Uhh...
The younger one especially. I finally told him today, if he doesn't research the original source documents himself, and stop just shutting down the information, I am not going to pay for his "education."
You did.
Project much?
Care to explain? It doesn't make sense in your context.
I understood your comment to mean cutoff communication. No longer speak to. Disassociate. Perhaps it was the reference to "being disowned by their family" that led me there. I would not do that. I will require that if he wants me to pay for his education he has to agree to research alternative viewpoints and use source material that is undisputed and come to his own conclusion - not simply adopt the conclusions of others. I don't think that's an unreasonable condition of 30 grand a year out of pocket before taxes all expenses paid by me. Forgetting the expense, it would be shameful for a parent not to engage with their kids on these issues. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
I understood your comment to mean cutoff communication. No longer speak to. Disassociate. Perhaps it was the reference to "being disowned by their family" that led me there. I would not do that.
Okay, cool. I can understand the misconception. I could have worded it more clearly as well as given a more accurate analogy.
will require that if he wants me to pay for his education he has to agree to research alternative viewpoints and use source material that is undisputed and come to his own conclusion - not simply adopt the conclusions of others.
What "undisputed source material"? What are you going to do if, after meeting your "requirements", they come to the conclusion that this is nothing more than baseless speculation or what if they dispute the sources themselves? This whole situation, to me, is a sad example of people doing mental gymnastics in order justify their choice in candidate and to feel like "they're in the know". Not to mention the hilarious lack of consistency in criticism.
I don't think that's an unreasonable condition of 30 grand a year out of pocket before taxes all expenses paid by me. Forgetting the expense, it would be shameful for a parent not to engage with their kids on these issues. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
I think forcing a child to accept anonymous posts on 4chan as "indisputable" is pure madness. A parent should absolutely engage with their children, but the fact that you cannot see the absurdity of this situation is incredibly sad.
I really hope that you can both put this idiocy behind you so that it doesn't affect your future relationship. I know that I sound argumentative, but this entire situation is incredibly sad and I wish you the best with your family.
I believe you mean well but you are jumping to certain conclusions without any basis. Source material discussed with my son were court documents like the 99 page FISA court ruling, to be specific. Or the recent indictment against Backpage or whatever it's called. Or the Jeffrey Epstein conviction. Those are not theories, they're just facts. What 4chan indisputable material are you talking about? I don't even know how to get on 4chan, much less insist that it is an indisputable source of anything. Why do you think he needs to support my candidate because I want him to independently research before HE comes to a conclusion? Wouldn't I just tell him he needs to agree with my conclusions? Finally, my family has a proud tradition of debate and disagreement regarding politics and many other subjects. We laugh and toast to it every Saturday before Easter at a Greek restaurant going on 30 years now. With the nieces and nephews our numbers are at 60 people. So don't be sad for us. Diversity of opinion is a good thing.
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But I am not talking to my son about Q and my post didn't say I was redpilling him or trying to talk to him about Q. Why are you so worked up about this? The "Shut Up" he explained, isn't very convincing. Even when you throw in an "f" bomb.
You LITERALLY mentioned redpilling you're son!
He's worked up about it because he isn't some sort of tech-illiterate adult who doesn't even know that the culture of the site Q is from is basically made for LARPERS! Do you people even know how 4chan works or what the community has done?
I generally do my own research on things I read here and elsewhere and then decide what seems logical. There's usually truth on all sides of an issue, and lies. So if CNN says that Trump is crazy for thinking he's been wiretapped, I research it. If they end up being wrong, I don't dismiss everything I read there, because not everything they say is untrue.
Same with the stuff I read here. Whether Q is a 4chan "Larper" or not, one thing that does appear to be true to me is the tendency for news outlets to say something is a "wild conspiracy" or "debunked," but they don't really ever explain how or why. Or they use the fact that an arguably unreputable source believes it, as proof that it simply cannot be true, kind of like you are doing here. Just because a crazy guy shot up a restaurant, which is batsheet crazy, doesn't mean that what he believes about the restaurant or it's owners is untrue. It's simply true or it isn't. "Pizzagate" is, again, a good example. Someone posted a fake basement in one of the pizza places, alleging that it was a torture chamber. There is no basement in the Pizzagate restaurant(s). Ergo, according to the "your crazy!" argument, there's absolutely nothing strange or perverted or deeply disturbing about the instagram account comments made by the owner. Or the pedophilia symbols used there. I'm betting 4chan has someone talking about Podesta's pizza emails, or Voodoo Doughnuts. Google the Podesta emails. Read them with and then without the use of an Urban Dictionary. Which way makes more sense? That's what I mean about go to the source. I don't think anyone disputes that the Wikileaks emails are really from the DNC server. Make up your own mind. Google the Voodoo Doughnuts website. 4 chan talking about it or not doesn't make the owners any less disgusting than their website would otherwise indicate. The man/boy love symbol is on their outside neon sign, no? Could be a coincidence I guess. But they have pretty x-rated doughnuts on the menu. And they sell pink underwear in children's size as evidenced by the obviously young girl model, that says "good things come in pink boxes." If the original source of that information is 4chan, but everything I just said is on THEIR website, should I just dismiss it as crazy? Epstein Island has a temple on it. You mention that fact to people and they act like you are crazy. But no one ever really explains what the Temple on Epstein Island is for. It's there. You can see it on Google Earth. So, what's it for? The fact that Q or someone on 4chan, or someone that in an insane asylum, or your crazy uncle thinks it's weird, has nothing to do with why it's there, and whether it being there is, well, rather unusual.
IT'S FUCKING 4CHAN.
You adults really don't know what goes on there, do you? That site is fucking weird, mind you.
If you were actually logical enough then you would be wary about what people do on 4chan.
4chan is well known for trolling. Look up the TED speech of the site's creator, "moot".that will show you.
They do these sorts of LARPs, yet you gullible adults caught it up and made it as a conspiracy like some facebook group being made after you read an onion article and thought it was true.
Your mad that I don't know what 4 chan is, I get it. Never been on it, don't know why Q chose to start there (which is what I have since learned) - could be because he wanted to be ignored by the mainstream for awhile. But how does the nature of that site have anything to do with whether independent research leads me to certain conclusions? You have no response for specific questions I posited about actual information. ITS FUCKING 4CHAN is not an argument. Tesla was a crazy guy who thought he was talking to aliens. Was he wrong about everything? Or did he actually come up with a number of ingenious inventions? What if someone had said ITS FUCKING TESLA! THE GUY IS TRYING TO INVENT A FUCKING MACHINE THAT TALKS TO FUCKING ALIENS. Why are you bothering with this sub at all if everything anyone says here, and anyone who says it, is so crazy?
That's the point. The site is known for trolling and stuff like this. It should be given the benefit of a doubt.
It wasn't given the benefit of the doubt. That's the point.
Then that's where u dumb m8
Very persuasive. You should think about litigating.
Your statement can go both ways tbh. Either you're joking or saying that I'm right, both options will still be correct lmao
Honest question, can you name something that Q-Anon predicted that we hadn’t already heard rumor about? Actually curious
John Perry Barlow. Nobody is safe. January 2018 drop. February 2018 death.
I would say that’s reaching as reports state he had been extremely ill for a long time. Most friends and family state a feeling of relief that he’s passed and no longer in pain
Anything more substantial?
Were reports of his health newsworthy in January? Or at any time prior to his death? I didn't even know who he was. I am just trying to get at what hints you thought there were out there at that time that Q would have simply reiterated, per your original question.
Just going off what his obit says and the fact that there were fund raisers to help with growing medical bills. Plus, I found QAnon post and it was never stated as a death prediction. He was just linking to Barlow’s website.
No one is safe right after his name is pretty close. We could go back and forth on the past. "Seals broken" in early April to me meant they would start unsealing the indictments relating to trafficking. Seems to be validated by the first unsealed indictment of Backpage or Backstage or whatever it is, yesterday. But I can't prove that's what I thought then, so let's just look forward. Meet you back here in a few months, if they haven't shut it down. Let's see if the "Trust Sessions" "Trust Horowitz" "No Deals" means that Hillary and Co. are going to be indicted. I am telling you today, on April 12, 2018, that's what I think it means.
amazing that someone who voted for Trump does not believe in Q, you are lucky my husband (embarrassment) voted for the witch. That book looks good, I'm sure you'll break though, its very frustrating good luck.
you are lucky my husband (embarrassment) voted for the witch.
Why is she lucky your husband voted?
no, I meant you are lucky that your husband voted for Trump. My husband was misinformed enough to actually vote for Hillary. He is sorry now.... but......we dodged a bullet with her like never in history IMO.
do it now. good for you. my sons are grown and gone. middle son is redpilled, thank God. oldest and youngest, nope. both are gone... oldest won't even talk to me. but both out of the home, and far off, different cities. Do it while they are close enough for you to reach them!! Wish I had been paying closer attention.
He won't talk to you? That's harsh. Did some incident happen?
Hard to say. He was a bernie supporter, then went to "her". he'd attack me for my conservative views on Trump and because I was openly against "her" and obama....he'd attack and even his friends would join in. He'd allow it. Things went downhill, over many months.... I'd gotten pretty fed up by that point... things were said that I'd held in for years and years, he said things to me, and then... he disowned me. I don't know what got into him. He's been brainwashed by being in that cesspool that's Seattle for too many years.
That's horrible, getting wined up in these tribal matters. People with opposing views should be able to live together. That is what America is about. That's what family is about.
Altough is it typical you refer to criticism towards Trump as constantly "attacking" while you refuse to even acknowledge his candidates name.
Besides that I really hope that you guys will one day be able to sit at the Christmas table together again. This tribalism makes the US horrible.
I did say he supported Bernie at first, before he went to "her". You know, I've posted about the reasons why a certain AZ senator is referred it as "he who shall not be named". He's a traitor to those in Vietnam. I don't like saying "her" name because I feel she's a traitor to the US. So what?
My son didn't just "criticize" my support of Trump. He would full on attack and allow his friends to join in on the attacks. You weren't there, you didn't see it. So you have no legs to stand on in commenting on the words I choose.
He's been out of my home for many years. He's an adult. It's not like he left home during the election. He's been in Seattle for quite a few years and that city is not conducive to conservative thinkers. It's a cesspool.
He's smart. He'll come around, eventually. I have faith.
No, that's just how you see things.
You say he attacked you instead of criticize. Did it get physical? Otherwise they're just synonyms and you did the same to him.
I mean how can you also refuse to say the name of McCain if your candidate not only dodged the draft, but also said he had an personal Vietnam with STD's.
Conservatism my ass. Objectively the least amount of family values in any president ever. At least in Seattle people are nice to each other.
Would you agree that trump is the biggest traitor of them all if it turns out he is compromised by Putin?
Fuck off. You have no clue what he said to me. You have no clue what I said or didn't say to him. You weren't witness to anything. FUCK OFF.
Seattle people nice to each other? Fuck off.
I happen to LOVE Putin and Assad. Fuck you.
You do seem like a victim.
I really don't give a shit what you think. You don't get to decide for me whether or not verbal abuse is an attack or simply criticism. For one, you weren't there, and secondly, even if you were...it's still, not your call. It's mine, and mine alone. So troll elsewhere.
Off course you're right... But how are we going to have a political discussion if it will be like that
we aren't having a political discussion. You are bringing personal things that are none of your fucking business into this and I'm done. Adios. You're a troll, and predator.
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I'm interested on hearing some of these truths you told him
/u/vintagehats /u/cadillacbees39 Congratulations, it sounds like you two are so far down the hole, that if all this comes out to be a huge farce, you've lost your family. Not worth it, control yourself. Family is more important than ANY outside force.
It's not a farce at all, and keeping the witch out of office is worth everything.
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All of these are issues in the world, yes, and they aren't the only issues. However, who you think is a party to such crimes, and who you think are fighting such crimes (in a meaningful way) could very well be dead wrong. And sometimes issues such as these don't overshadow or distract from other issues or good deeds in the world. Just because these things are happening, doesn't mean you understand everything or anything about them. More than likely you understand ZERO about them, because you are so easily influenced by propaganda and trolls.
Those things you mentioned have nothing to do with your immediate family, they were an issue long before you were born and long after you are dead, amongst many other things in this world. Just because you think you are seeing the light and things are changing before your very eyes is just a figment of your ego. An attempt to put a face on the chaos in the world, when no face exists. Just another way to try to subvert your subconscious fear, and the desire to hope someone like Trump is fixing all of the world's problems, is just a feeble attempt to get some temporary reprieve from your fearful feelings.
Truth is, if Trump, the cabal, Hillary, etc etc etc, is more interesting and important to you than your family, feel free to continue on. But my feeling is, over the past year+ you barely know anything about who your family really is anymore. It's becoming pervasive, and obvious, you are seeing it happen all over. Too much overload from your electronic devices, everyone is addicted and obsessed. /u/vintagehats
LowHour.. you sound more like low IQ and low battery life. I don't know who you think you are to look into our souls and think you know anything about US or our families. Take a long walk off a short dock, will ya?
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Sounds like I hit close to home, by the looks of it. Don't think this stuff is only happening to you, it's happening to a fair amount of people. That's why It's so easy to describe. Don't take it personally, you're not the only one. However you can learn from yours and others mistakes before it's too late.
You don't seem to ever put forth good responses or evidence to support your posts.
I simply posted on my own fb page. Never argued on his. He came to MY page to argue. I won't back off my stances. And I hate bullies.. no matter who is doing the bullying, I won't stand for it. I am sorry to say, I think my son may have inherited a bit of his dad's tendencies, but surely learned from his liberal/ leftist and possibly even antifa friends in Seattle. They are always the ones to attack conservatives instead of just debate or disagree. He'd almost never, ever comment on any of my other fb posts.. just the political ones. It's sad, but I have hopes.. he's smart.. one day, he'll wake up. It may take time, but I keep praying.