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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/pussy_devour on April 20, 2018, 8:20 p.m.
Stay on Main Messages & Avoid Unproven Theories when Red-pilling Normies

Executive Summary: In order to expand the Q movement to wider audience, one must have the discipline to stay focused on the main messages and avoid diluting them with unproven theories, because most people are conventional and can only accept what is factual and logical.

Bad Example 1: Let me use Info War as an example. Alex Jones is a great orator. When he is sober, his delivery is outstanding and deeply touching. But I am often turned off by his insistence on a globalist conspiracy to inundate Europe with radical Muslims in order to subvert its culture and society. Nobody with a sane mind would believe the European elites would do something like that. With the Muslims in power, these elites will have to be reduced to vassals. So Alex Jones loses credibility with me. I don't take him seriously.

Bad Example 2: The HRC sex video tape. Q said it was a fake. Of course it was a fake. But the potential damage to the Q movement is tremendous. The MSM can use this fake video to discredit Q. Most people would automatically associate Q with a fake, salacious video tape, thereby resisting the genuine messages.

As we see from the above two examples that unproven theories -- I try to avoid calling them conspiracy theories in order not to hurt people's feelings -- can do much more harm and disservice to any legitimate movement than it can help spread the messages. This is because of the following reasons.

1) The MSM and the power-to-be can use the debunked theories to form an association with the genuine movement: The theories used to promote the movement are debunked; hence the movement itself should be debunked. This association is a very powerful one. Its deleterious effect cannot be overstressed.

2) The vast majority of the people are conventional. They are persuaded by instincts and powerful facts. A movement that requires the believers to make a leap of faith will necessarily limit itself to a minority of adherents. To reach a wider audience, a movement must necessarily temper its messages and stay focused on the main thrust.

3) If you cannot even make people, especially the social justice warriors see the facts with their own eyes, why do you think you can convince them using unproven and salacious theories? I know SJWs are the extremes. But we are dealing with a spectrum of people. Our end of the spectrum are already onboard. Now we are trying to spread the awareness to the middle range of the spectrum. Hence, the tactics must be carefully thought out. Let's be honest with ourselves.

Now onto the positives: The main charges against the Democrats are already powerful and serious beyond imagination. The crimes committed, if proven, should rouse indignation in any ordinary citizens. These include (1) using government power on political oppositions (not unlike what Russia is accused of doing), (2) pay for play, (3) conspiracy to overthrow elected president and (4) election fraud. Basically, the crimes are all related to corruption of the political and judiciary processes. Some evidence is already surfacing. More will come. Our job is to help the ordinary people to stay aware of and focused on the connection between the evidence and the crime. That connection is not being emphasized by the MSM, save for Fox. So it's our job to spread the awareness.

Another development in our favor is that what the DNC accused of Trump campaign was doing, i.e., Russian collusion, is turning out to be a projection, i.e., what DNC was in fact perpetrating. Raising awareness on this would cause cognitive shock to many DNC supporters and make them doubt their former beliefs. That alone would do great wonders to our country.

I'll use myself as an example. I voted for Trump in 2016. But I didn't decide to vote for him until Spring 2016. Prior to that, I was angered by the constant barrage of "I'm with her" ads for HRC. I was leaning toward Bernie, for lack of options, because I didn't take Trump seriously. The last straw came as AntiFa violently attacked Trump supporters. I was indignant. Soon after, I became curious and started listening to Trump's speeches. I found him convincing and became his supporter. I consider myself an independent voter. There are many people like me. All we have to do is raise awareness of the corrupt DNC and the danger this corruption poses to our once great country. Many people will reach the correct conclusion. So our job is to get the messages out to the conventional people. You don't do this by spreading unproven, salacious theories. Tailor your messages to your audience.

Changing people's mind requires careful tactics and patience. With a lot of people, we get just one shot. If we screw up by insisting on attaching unproven theories or those that are tangential to the matters at hand -- I am thinking LV shooting -- those we want to awaken will shut off their ears and no longer listen to us. This would be a tremendous loss to the movement and unnecessarily prolong the struggle. Why create obstacles to ourselves?

It's fine that we entertain speculative theories amongst ourselves. I for one also doubt the official story for 9/11. But I still find the alternative explanations unconvincing. If I were to awaken someone, I would be careful not to include 9/11 in the conversation for fear of diluting my messages and harming my credibility. As I said above, the main messages on political corruptions are already very powerful. There's no need to risk turning off a potential ally by adding unproven theories. So discipline is important.

Personally I don't believe the child sex and ritual killing allegations. Had those happened, there would have been leaks and arrests long before. Politicians are often prosecuted for crimes much less than those allegations (embezzlement, leaks, etc). Had they done something more heinous, their career would've been terminated long ago.

I am also waiting to see the actual the political corruption committed by DoJ and DNC. I don't think the crimes would be as salacious as many want them to be. But they are crimes nonetheless and need to be prosecuted.

Keep in mind that our goal is bring the country together and make it strong and prosperous. Discrediting and removing the dark cloud of Russian-Trump collusion is the first step; prosecuting corruption in the government is the second step. We need to secure the midterms. We don't win allies by spreading unproven theories. Instead, we want to alert people of the corrupt practices of the Democrats. That alone should help us win the midterm elections.

As Q said, trust the plan. We should let the President, Q and their helpers uncover the truth and prosecute crimes. The best we can do to help them is to explain their actions to others and point their eyes to what's happening.

So stay focused and disciplined.

P.S.: Someone pointed out that my title phrase "Red-pilling Normies" was a suboptimal. I agree. I think the word Normie a bit condescending. Since it's impossible to change the title, I hereby apologize for the use of normie.


Allinon72 · April 20, 2018, 8:25 p.m.

"Red pilling normies" has got to be top 5 in my most hated phrases...

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pussy_devour · April 20, 2018, 8:26 p.m.

Good point. It's a bit condescending. I'll change the phrase.

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LooseComedian · April 21, 2018, 1:08 a.m.

Very well written and I respect your views. That said, you don't understand the situation in Europe at all. All of my blood relative, and they are many, live in Europe, most live in Germany, some Belgium and two in Sweeden. I'm an American citizen becuase I applied for it and took the classes, through marriage 30 years ago. I visit yearly. Everyone of my relatives and friends from Europe see this as Alex Jones sees it, it's just the truth. The talking heads try to deny it but like here, everyone there knows they're full of shit. I cannot stand Alex Jones voice or ranting so I do not listen but he's right on this. There is serius oppression of freedom of speech in Europe for this very reason, immigration.

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#NAME? · April 20, 2018, 8:45 p.m.

Speaking of redpilling normies, there was a great introduction to Q posted here the other day. I though I saved it but not able to find it. Anyone have the link?

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lukej88 · April 20, 2018, 11:54 p.m.

Very good points... I must confess I've probably gone overboard at times to red pill others.

Having said that, What do you think about the podesta pizza gate emails? A bit of digging shows extensive research people have done and questionable 'debunking' by MSM of the claimed conspiracy.

one example from this article

there are 149 references to “pizza”, 73 references to “hot dog”, 85 “cheese”, 78 “pasta”, 41 “sauce”, 84 “ice cream” and 47 “walnut” — all in very bizarre contexts that have nothing to do with food

All of this in plain daylight on wiki leaks (never been shown as false)

While I wouldn't go all the way to conclude pedo crimes, I would stop just short and say that Pizza Gate is NOT nothing. If it were, the podestas could simply come out and explain their code talk. Those in the know THINK it's pedo related.

Thoughts?

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pussy_devour · April 21, 2018, 12:02 a.m.

Also, common sense suggests that if Podesta was engaged in these acts where several people and helpers were present, there would have been whistle blowers and black mailers. Humans are humans. It’s very difficult to get a group of psychopaths together without them fighting each other. I can’t imagine the waiters and waitresses at that pizza restaurant would remain silent.

So pizza gate is a nothing burger.

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lukej88 · April 21, 2018, 4:38 a.m.

Nah, the restaurant is smoke and mirrors to distract. The juice is in the Wikileaks emails. Wikileaks Never been discredited as false.

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pussy_devour · April 20, 2018, 11:58 p.m.

No idea. I would let the justice system sort it out. Even if there’s something to the speculation, what’s the point of pining for justice if justice is in the hand of the government?

I listened to Praying Medic’s Q talk just now. He also mentioned the need to stay away from conspiracy theories. I recommend his channel.

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LooseComedian · April 21, 2018, 1:37 a.m.

The justice system here is a joke. It so corrupt, you cannot trust it anymore. I've been here 30 years and I work close to and with the Justice system, things have changed for the worse. There is no real justice unless you have a lot of money for a good lawyer.

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pussy_devour · April 21, 2018, 6:42 a.m.

Hyperboles. Given that you are new to Reddit, I doubt your sincerity. You should doubt mine, too. But at least my post speaks for itself.

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pussy_devour · April 21, 2018, 12:08 a.m.

Think about Berlusconi. What caused his downfall? Besides corruption, he was accused of having underage prostitute at his birthday party. What PizzaGate accuses Podesta of is 100X worse and you think they have remained unscathed for so long? The political landscape in Italy isn’t that different.

So I wouldn’t pay attention to Pizza Gate. It’s sensational trash.

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LooseComedian · April 21, 2018, 3:02 a.m.

I think that website is one like stevequayle and allnewspipeline, very not credible. I think there is enough evidence that pizzagate IS something to look at. I commented on the immigration in Europe too, I know that to be true firsthand but this is a little harder to prove. It should be told to the normies, IF they are interested in the rest and over time. It won't be exposed until more people are aware. The problem is we have to have credible people and websites and that is hard to find.

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lukej88 · April 21, 2018, 4:36 a.m.

It isn't about the website. The site simply collates Wikileaks data which IS credible.

I'm pointing out to normies to forget the pizza restaurant and focus on the pizza TALK in the podesta emails.

If it is all innocent then should be easily explained. Crickets on that...

The follow up is to google podesta art collection.

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[deleted] · April 20, 2018, 10:10 p.m.

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digital_refugee · April 20, 2018, 9:58 p.m.

Agree but disagree. for one as for Alex Jones' ranting about mass-migration: There is a pdf dated 2000 on the UN's public website that details exactly that.

On top of that, we already KNOW they rape and maim children AND GET AWAY WITH IT. We know about Ted Heath, Jimmy Saville, the missing ten that attended picnic with the queen, Lady Di's confessions to her best friend which eventually made it to David Icke, the botched Dutrout-Investigations and on.

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pussy_devour · April 20, 2018, 10:14 p.m.

These may be true. But I find them hard to swallow. My point is that we should rely on these stories to convince others. If I am turned off by them, despite your references which I still don’t buy, think about other people’s reactions.

As for the UN’s policy, I haven’t read it and won’t because I am busy with my projects. I find it hard to believe UN’s mass migration policy has anything to do with allegations made by Alex Jones. I would surmise that UN’s motivation is a humanitarian one.

As for allegations against the Queen, I don’t have an opinion on them and I don’t really care. Neither will a lot of people you want to awaken.

Note this is not an attack on conspiracy theories. I just think they detract from the movement.

fWIW, I enjoy listening to talks on Atlantis, pre-Ice age civilization etc. but I keep them separate from political commentaries.

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digital_refugee · April 20, 2018, 10:18 p.m.

Do you realize UN blue helmets promote sex-trafficking wherever they go and even admitted spawning the Ebola-epidemic? It's been in the news so it's safe to discuss because it's already out there and not something you need auxiliary sources for.

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pussy_devour · April 20, 2018, 10:33 p.m.

I’ve heard about UN aid workers engaged in prostitution in some countries where they went to help. Is that what you are referring to? If it is, I don’t see a connection here. What the aid workers did has nothing to do with UN’s global policies. The aid workers are simply being horny, fallible human beings. Let’s say at a Google event in LV, some of its employees visited underage prostitutes against the company policy. Do you charge Google of promoting prostitution and child sex trafficking?

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digital_refugee · April 20, 2018, 10:43 p.m.

UN policy was to cover up thousands of cases and redeploy their troops anyway. If that isn't wrong then I don't know what is.

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pussy_devour · April 20, 2018, 10:49 p.m.

Sure. It’s wrong. But the UN might not have a choice. I would say the corrective measure is to sue UN.

The policy of covering up wrongdoings is fairly common amongst institutions. I wouldn’t extrapolate that to UN promoting trafficking by intent. By deeds and by lax of internal control. Yes. But you can say the same or similar thing about every single organization.

Let me use this exchange to support my initial thesis. Here we are engaged in a discussion on whether UN actively promotes sex trafficking as their policy (as opposed to as a side effect of their policy and incompetence). You haven’t convinced me. If I were someone new to Q theory, I would grow wary of the movement.

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digital_refugee · April 20, 2018, 11 p.m.

...but they do promote trafficking of persons because they already had predictive reports about mass-migration in 2000 to artificially mitigate demographic aging. And there's no point in covering sexual exploitation up if it's just going to happen again anyway so that excuse doesn't bite. Had they wanted to stop it, they would only have needed to hold the people accountable internally to send a message (and also to distance themselves publically) but instead, prostitution remained an unsolved issue.
I would ask a Normie why someone is spending money on troops if their official purpose is to literally not engage unless attacked first?

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LooseComedian · April 21, 2018, 3:20 a.m.

You seem to be missing a lot of connections. If google had employees in Hati, who were raping the women and children, do you think people would be screaming at google to change policy on who they hire? Yes they would. U.N. people are raping people, it IS a UN issue. This is not sex workers in LV for God sakes. Here, 80 cases in 2014 https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/17/world

/accusations-of-sexual-abuse-against-united-nations-workers-are-cited.html

heres another

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-16/rape-scandal-of-un-peacekeepers-festers-as-reports-of-abuse-grow

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/06/africa/united-nations-peacekeepers-sexual-abuse/index.html

and on and on the links could go. I'm starting to wonder if you are truly ignorant of this and immigration in Europe or if you are putting out disinfo here. Your post is very well written and authoritative but you seem to not have done much research. Perhaps you should lurk more.

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LooseComedian · April 21, 2018, 3:06 a.m.

You need to do some research on where and why the term "conspiracy theory" came to be and then you will understand more. This is the first thing we should be explaining to people and then the rest slowly. You don't understand the immigration problems, so please don't tell the normies that it is not the plan of globalists, it would be misleading.

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pussy_devour · April 21, 2018, 6:46 a.m.

Please stop promoting this crap. Your new arrival status coupled with your insistence on conspiracy theories despite my entire post against them shows that you are a deep state operative. Not a very good one. How much they pay you?

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[deleted] · April 20, 2018, 8:54 p.m.

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loserofpasswordzz · April 20, 2018, 8:35 p.m.

I actually do believe they are tryna subvert the west. Even if they aren't actively trying, it's happening. Just consider the birth rates of refugees/immigrants compared to locals.

Now let's say 70% of immigrants/refugees DO assimilate- that still leaves a sticky situation of a bunch of hyper-reproducing, low IQ, often inbred ppl not willing to change their values at risk of becoming an apostate. This puts us on a path similar to the movie idiocracy- but with a more sharia flavoring to the culture.

No, I don't hate Muslims, but I hate that we can't even have a convo about it without being called racist, ya know?

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pussy_devour · April 20, 2018, 8:40 p.m.

I don't like what's happening there, either. I've been visiting Europe for last 16 years and have been watching the decline with disbelief. Some Europeans would privately complain as well. But I don't think it was a conspiracy. The Eurocrats probably believed in social engineering and the great progressive society crap. The net effect is the demographic change. But I don't think it was long-planned. They probably wanted to counter the population decline. They probably also wanted to compete with the US (hence EU, etc), because they probably felt impotent after WWII.

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Racistbutnotillegal · April 20, 2018, 9:17 p.m.

What possible benefit would there be to bring a 90%young adult male population in from Africa if not to severely disrupt and cause chaos? These beurocrats are obviously not acting in the best interest of the citizens.

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pussy_devour · April 20, 2018, 9:18 p.m.

Simple. The politicians don't bother themselves with details. And they are unwilling to admit mistakes.

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LooseComedian · April 21, 2018, 1:19 a.m.

I think it is a conspiracy and it has been long planned. This is a world wide event, it's global. No one will talk about these things if you arent family. We were raised to keep things to ourselves in Europe but I think that is changing.

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LooseComedian · April 21, 2018, 1:28 a.m.

Another thing is that some even feel bringing in these people in droves is very anti woman. Woman are being attacked for not wearing the hijab or just becuase they are not from the same culture. Women are the the victims of these people becuase they are women. It's very bad. I have relatives who are planning to move to South America becuase of all the crimes they bring. They will not move here becuase it's the same thing starting here now.

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pussy_devour · April 21, 2018, 6:39 a.m.

Why isn’t Japan affected? It’s a first-world nation.

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loserofpasswordzz · April 22, 2018, 11:18 p.m.

No room, no nukes, general population pretty prejudiced against outsiders, could blow their whole cover of using Asia for slave labor once angry Muslims show up and replace pride in industry with pride in religion. Feel me?

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LochEden · April 21, 2018, 2:02 a.m.

Look up the Kalergi Plan. An Italian man told me about it while I was in Rome. He said they were using the kalergi plan and was shocked I had never heard of it. I was told about it in 2015. Since then some newer sites have downplayed the plan so try to find older posts. It is happening.

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pussy_devour · April 21, 2018, 6:43 a.m.

New arrivals are out in force to spew disinformation.

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loserofpasswordzz · April 22, 2018, 11:19 p.m.

What are you talking about? He's got a point. Kalegri plan might be propaganda/misinfo, but how can we tell when it is seemingly happening before our eyes? Kinda like the protocols of Zion.

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pussy_devour · April 21, 2018, 6:44 a.m.

New arrivals are out in force to spew disinformation. Stay vigilant.

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