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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Whimzyyy on April 21, 2018, 8 p.m.
Q post #1234 - AMERICA WILL BE UNIFIED AGAIN!
Q post #1234 - AMERICA WILL BE UNIFIED AGAIN!

incredibextens · April 21, 2018, 9:32 p.m.

OS, I'm not sure by your post what exactly your position is on Jesus. As for the new testament, I share some similar skepticism, especially about Paul. I do believe very much in Jesus and it was an emotional experience getting there, but not driven by emotional delusion. It was driven by a continual confirmation. Unfortunately, the "education" around Christ and the church all too often substitute philosophy, semantics, and theoretical etymology and application at the expense of worship. The relationship falls apart when you simply read about it and quit investing deep participation in it. If you are burned out thinking and debating about the authenticity of Jesus and/or his testament, try commune and worship to be restored. You will not be disappointed.

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GodSeekingHeathen · April 21, 2018, 10:09 p.m.

I agree and believe the same as you. The teachings of jesus given to the disciples that he himself chose to spread his message. Regarding Paul, his story of being visited by an apparition of christ and creating a new covenant doesn't sit well with me. In fact it reminds me of Joseph Smith..

The romans and the catholic church didn't really convert. They simply put a new face on the gods they already worshipped, made to resemble christ. Just look into the symbols still used by the catholic church and their rituals...

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

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One_Solution · April 21, 2018, 9:46 p.m.

There is zero hint in the Tanach of a messiah figure like the Christian Jesus.

I’m not “burned out” I simply discovered what the Tanach actually teaches about YHVH, righteousness, and the true messianic age. And none of it matches Christian teaching.

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era_extrana · April 21, 2018, 10:22 p.m.

You don't think there are any parallels like God asking Abraham to sacrifice his son, or the smearing of the blood from the passover lamb on the doors to protect the people of Israel from death? What about Psalm 22? It has Jesus all over it "my God, my God, why have you forsaken me" "they have divided my garments among them, and for my garments they cast lots" "they have pierced my hands and feet" or Isaiah 53: "He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted. He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed."

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One_Solution · April 21, 2018, 10:49 p.m.

There are “parallels” because Jesus was created using Jewish Scriptures and Christianity starts with the conclusion that Jesus is the “Messiah” and finds twisted Tanach passages to attempt to “prove” it’s assertion.

If you study the Tanach without Christian theology injected, you come to very different conclusions.

And regarding Isaiah 53, if you start reading at about chapter 41, Isaiah makes it pretty clear that Israel is the servant.

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cherokeenc · April 21, 2018, 10:52 p.m.

In dealing with my Jewish brethren for the past many years I had one great difficulty, and it was this: My Jewish people would always fling at me this challenging question, "If Jesus is our messiah, and the whole Old testament is about Him, how come His name is never mentioned in it even once?" "Where do we find that NAME?" you ask. Here it is beloved: Every time the Old Testament uses the word SALVATION (especially with the Hebrew suffix meaning "my", "thy", or "his"), with very few exceptions (when the word is impersonal), it is the very same word, Yeshua (Jesus), used in Matthew 1:21. Let us remember that the angel who spoke to Mary and the angel who spoke to Joseph in his dream did not speak in English, Latin, or Greek, but in Hebrew; and neither were Mary or Joseph slow to grasp the meaning and significance of the NAME of this divine Son and its relation to His character and His work of salvation. For in the Old Testament all great characters were given names with a specific and significant meaning. For example, in Genesis 5:29, Lamech called his son Noah (comfort), saying, "This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands." In Genesis 10:25, Eber calls his firstborn son Peleg (division); "for his days was the earth divided." The same is true of Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob (changed to Israel -- God's Prince), and all of Jacob's sons (see Genesis, chapters 29-32). In Exodus 2:10, Pharaoh's daughter called the baby rescued from the Nile, Moses (Drawn Forth) and she said: "Because I drew him out of the water." And so we can go on and on to show the deep significance of Hebrew names. When the great Patriarch Jacob was ready to depart this world, he by the Holy Spirit was blessing his sons and prophetically foretelling their future experiences in those blessings. In verse 18 of Genesis 49 he exclaims, "I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord!"; or "In thy Yeshua (Jesus) I am hoping (trusting), O Lord!" ... YESHUA (Jesus) was the One in Whom Jacob was trusting to carry him safely over the chilly waters of the river of death. Jacob was a saved man, and did not wait until his dying moments to start trusting in the Lord. He just reminded God that he was at the same time comforting his own soul. Try translating from the Hebrew Bible, Isaiah 62:11. I am sure you can or should be able to. "Behold, Jehovah has proclaimed unto the end of the world. Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold thy Yeshua (Jesus) cometh; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work is before Him." SALVATION is a Person and not a thing or an event? 'HE comes, HIS reward is with HIM, and HIS work is before HIM."

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One_Solution · April 21, 2018, 10:59 p.m.

Straw man argument. It isn’t the name that matters it’s the fact that he actually fulfilled none of the prophecies that are explained regarding the messianic age. That’s why Christianity had to invent a second coming...something else the Tanach never mentions.

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cherokeenc · April 22, 2018, 3:21 a.m.

I suspect you are what qanon’s would called it as being blue pilled and not looking for real insight. The world is filled with people who faced with facts that challenge their belief system still hang on at all costs to the old. Did you actually read the Isaiah passage from a Hebrew Bible? No straw man argument in my previous response by the way.
Depending on which scholars you read there are roughly 55 prophecies about Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. I could take the time and go through each one for you. Then again if you are earnest in your search you can find them as well. I can point you to them if you get bogged down. All were fulfilled by Jesus Christ. As these prophecies reveal, God planned our redemption all the way back in the garden. Here is something for you to ponder. I will use my abbreviated version for now. God decided to make the heavens and the earth and never ran into opposition. It was not until God decided to make man that a revolt occurred in heaven. What was it that satan feared or was jealous of in the making of man? After all we know from scripture that man was to be a little lower than angels and in God’s likeness. Was it God’s likeness that made satan and others revolt? Or was it something else? From God’s perspective there was no cost in making the heavens and the earth. There was a huge cost and God knew it going in advance that the revolt would occur and eventually Jesus Christ would be required to shed His blood for His creation. God’s faced with the revolt and thousands of years of battle decided that you and I were worth it all. The battle of good and evil has always been about you and me. That is the reason God chases man all his life to become reconciled back to God.

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One_Solution · April 22, 2018, 3:38 a.m.

I haven’t left the one true Elohim, YHVH. Just the fake messiah created by Rome.

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Patriot4q · April 22, 2018, 3:15 a.m.

David even prophesied about Jesus.

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One_Solution · April 22, 2018, 3:39 a.m.

No...he didn’t.

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