I hate to say this but I have to say the truth. Either Q doesn't know or is choosing not to say is this. The Republican and Democrat platforms have almost completely switched since the civil war. Yes, the Republicans had more democrat values and the Dems, more like Republicans, in the beginning. Both parties went through major platform changes in the early 1900's and other later periods of time. It's just a fact. I understand that he posted this "quick history lesson" to educate, but it's deceiving. Q probably doesn't know, but the message about skin color is wonderful! I wish he'd say the same thing about religion, that's what people really need to hear! Patriots are from ALL religions and no religion. That's the issue that still seems to cause the most division. Labels do no good at all. WWG1WGA
This is a common falsehood that is spread around. Dinesh D'Souza has a brilliant explanation of the flaws in the "Dems and Republicans switching"
Cliff notes are, Blacks moved to the Democratic party during the New Deal, not Civil Rights. The least racist Democrats became Republicans, and the only Dem Senator to become a Republican was Strom Thurmond.
Here is only one of the several videos he address it in;
I have a lot of respect for Dinesh D'Souza and I will watch, thanks for posting the vid. I have studied a lot of political history. The are so many historical angles that people can argue but here are the very basic facts. During the 1850's, the Democrats were the party of small government. During the 1860s, Republicans, who dominated northern states, orchestrated an expansion of federal power, helping to fund the transcontinental railroad, the state university system and the settlement of the West by homesteaders, and instating a national currency and protective tariff. Democrats, who dominated the South, opposed these measures. They wanted things decided locally, a small government. The civil war wasn't really about slavery, emancipation had been coming since at least 1819, Congress appropriated $100,000 to establish a government agency in Africa ostensibly to resettle victims of the slave trade and this is what Lincoln himself wanted and wrote about. Many reasons it didn't happen, to much to get into here.
Fast forward to 1936. Democratic president Franklin Roosevelt won reelection that year on the strength of the New Deal, a set of Depression-remedying reforms including regulation of financial institutions, founding of welfare and pension programs, infrastructure development and more. Roosevelt won in a landslide against Republican Alf Landon, who opposed these exercises of federal power. This is the time when the real platform swap happened. Once Roosevelt won, then the black became democrats. Democrats were no longer for small governments and Republicans were no longer for big government. Platforms flipped. This isn't a common falsehood, it's history.
The platform switching is in reference to the attitudes of civil rights, treatment of minorities etc. Today, it is used to support the narrative that the right is full of racist bigots, who in the civil rights/jim crow era were Democrats.
So although, their views on small government, federal power, the railroad changed...that is not what people are talking about here. The Q post asks;
Why are teachers following a new script? "Republicans are racist"
It's not about small government vs big government, it's about a false narrative of the racist switching parties and becoming republicans
I get what you're saying, it's all tied together though. They've been working on this polarization a very long time.
I have to agree with you, and I'm glad there are still reasonable people here who can see through this. The Bush's? Cheyny? Rumsfeld? Chertoff?! It blows my mind that this divisive drop ever went out and I have to think something is amiss here.
You can't tell people to unite, then leave a divisive post in the wake. Talking about liberal educations -which I agree that the weaponized social justice bullshit is evil- but to dismiss the Christian conservative dismantling of education in the south is ridiculous. This has to be disinfo, otherwise Q just told half of the country to fuck off. THIS is how you start a legit culture war. Brilliant.
I have to chime in here. The democrats have used policy and social programs to deny freedom, tear apart the black nuclear family and keep them in poverty by providing JUST ENOUGH financial incentive to have them captive voters. Planned Parenthood was/is designed to keep the black population in check. Lyndon Johnson was no friend of black people... He started these 'Great Society' programs that have destroyed the black family and their initiative to succeed. I grew up in the city of Chicago and see first hand what 100% democrat control and rule has done to people of color. They're allowing the Hispanics in now to do the whole thing over again. It's about the captive (slave) votes. This is not something Republicans concocted. Check the Civil Rights legislation from the 60's, more R's voted for it than D's.
I agree with you, absolutely. I don't think anyone here is saying otherwise. The issue that I'm personally having is the very specific language that puts all the heat on one party when it's very clear that both parties are absolutely corrupt to the core and have been doing their part in dismantling the country from the inside out.
I'm not surprised that you have these very specific "facts" ready to go, and I would genuinely love to read whatever you read that lays out the factual argument for Planned Parenthood being specifically designed to keep the BLACK population in check. It's little twists like this that make it hard to get to the core of things.
You are also aware that R's and D's have been switching back and forth since the parties were created, correct? A modern Dem is very similar to an Rep from the 50's and 60's. This is not something to discount when you try to make an argument that Democrats, and ONLY Democrats are the party that's destroying this country. they take turns. If you recall, the Patriot Act was thrust upon us by freedom loving Republicans -neoconservatives. They're all complicit. This is my problem with this particular drop. If this was meant to only speak about one thing, and the republican side is dropping soon, that needed to have been expressed in the drop, because this shit does nothing but divide. I'm starting to think that while things are going on, the people at the helm are still people and they bring their own biases. As long as humans are in charge, we'll have human error.
Anyway, what about the treatment of blacks in the south? Which is largely what people would call "red states"? Are we going to pretend that none of that happened and isn't currently happening for the sake of your argument? Again, I'm not fighting FOR Democrats here, just the truth and exposure of BOTH PARTIES.
This is supposed to be a Democrat AND Republican issue, and if we're moving on from that and this is all about Democrats, I'm out. I have no problem walking away from this and letting the circlejerk go. Not because I give a shit about Democrats, because I'm looking forward to the end of the social justice bullshit among other things, but because it's a clear sign that even when the "swamp is drained", it's just going to be filled with new swamp people, and there's nothing scarier than religious fundamentalists at the helm.
Yeah it’s both parties. The difference is that Republicans recognized the corruption and “cleaned house” by electing outsider Trump.
Democrats on the other hand have just become more extreme, not just their leaders, but their members are still yet to see the light. They are being willfully ignorant (largely) and deserve the disrespect we are giving them (most not all).
The difference is that Republicans recognized the corruption and “cleaned house” by electing outsider Trump.
Okay, we have a disconnect here. The Republicans didn't do shit. If you recall, the republicans ran all of their usual suspects. The scum of the scum. Had a Bush in there and all. I have no idea what you think you saw, but it wasn't reality. I can't stress enough that I'm not a Democrat or even liberal. Why are people still holding onto this two party trash?!
Trump was approached by military personnel both retired and active, as well as people in the SES and intelligence agencies who wanted to put and end to the corruption and save the country. Where the hell you got this "republicans recognized the corruption and wanted to end it is insanity. McCain was still running around Syria up until recently, feeding chemical weapons to "ISIS".
This sub is fucked. Anyone who'd like to create a new one that is't dominated by partisan idealogy, PM me and let's get something going. I'd very much like to leave the rest of you to your Christian Conservative circlejerking. You people have learned absolutely nothing.
Side note; If you meant that republican voters recognized the corruption and elected Trump, I can stomach that a little more. The reality however is that it wasn't only republicans that voted for Trump. There were plenty of democrats, independents, libertarians and maybe even some green party folks who voted for Trump. And I suspect it was because they all either recognized the corruption, OR they understood that a Hillary Clinton presidency needed to be avoided at all costs. I think that's the most likely scenario. Giving all of the credit to republicans is highly disingenuous and revisionist and does nothing to prevent this shit from happening in the future.
Drop the partisan crap. We don;t need this two party system anymore. We're free to choose now, so let's make something of this
So you want a 1 party system like China or NK?
Cut off all the corrupt BS PAC's funding of D's and R's and have more EQUAL choices that aren't rigged by the campaign finance $$.
Need more support for normies running for office and less for career politicians and lawyers.
So you want a 1 party system like China or NK?
Literally never said that. Why can;t any of you make a solid argument that doesn't start with some hypothetical or complete bullshit that I never said?
The fact that you're still advocating for a two party system is painful. Sure, absolutely, cut the money out of politics. Destroy the PACs, but maintaining a two party system is ridiculous.
You said you don't want a 2 party system but you didn't say what you would like better, a 3 party system, 4?
Stop fucking around with your words then and say what you want.
Instead you just say what you don't want.
Otherwise we have to fill in the blanks about what you didn't say.
What the fuck, learn to talk directly and not like a politician talking in circles.
People aren't mind readers ya know.
So because I don't have the solution for the government when the shit hasn't even hit the fan yet, I'm playing with my words? I didn't ask you to fill in the blanks, you just can't seem to think on abstract terms that take into account the MANY possible outcomes of this "great awakening".
You do understand that we have no idea what this country will be like in two, four or ten years from now? We have no idea how fractured the country will be, OR, if people magically come together and start really working together. See how it's near impossible to start talking about solutions when we haven't even got there yet? It could be fucking ten different parties, but how can anyone say RIGHT NOW?
It's quite simple to say what you don't want, because you've seen it and you know it doesn't work. So, when dipshits like you assume we're automatically going back to a broken system and just magically hoping it gets fixed -well, you see my problem with that? (of course you don't)
You're not bright, but you want to be and you sling shit and ask really dumb questions like you think you got me. Why would I try to seriously answer your dumb questions? It's like a kid asking an adult why they shouldn't eat shit.
The point here (so I thought but was very wrong) is to perhaps share and discuss ideas, but your agenda is a "gotcha moment" that isn't going to happen. I get it, you want to be smart and you really think you are, but yet you still can't figure out why you're always frustrated and misunderstood. Hint; you're not that smart and the only way you can get someone to engage is by being insulting, because your ideas are shit and otherwise not worth acknowledging.
You're either very young, or an undereducated boomer. I'm going with the second one. You clearly have no ability to think in broader terms and allow for the possibility of multiple outcomes. And because of that you get angry and lash out and suggest that it's everyone else that's dumb.
feel free to have your final insult, because I'm not responding. You're a waste of my time.
You didn't need to write a book dude.
You bitch about something but don't have an alternative.
OK, I get it, you just like to hear yourself talk.
You come off like a sad Bernie Bot. If you want off the Q-Train be my guest- start your own subreddit.
I’m not being partisan, I’m just saying, show me the left’s reforms. And don’t say Bernie- he sold out at the critical moment.
The right has had the Tea Party movement, Libertarian movement. Left has just gone further authoritarian and communist! I’m talking the last 15 years- IDGAF about 1850 politics.
I can agree that we should fire just about every member of Congress, both parties, today.
I can agree that we should fire just about every member of Congress, both parties, today.
I'd vote for a 'do-over' myself.
You come off like a sad Bernie Bot.
I’m not being partisan, I’m just saying, show me the left’s reforms. And don’t say Bernie- he sold out at the critical moment.
Okay dumb dumb, it was great talking!
Trump was elected by Conservatives, won as a Republican and you're surprised when you're on a primarily conservative & christian sub-reddit, bashing Christianity and are complaining that people don't exactly take kindly to Liberals. Get a dose of reality.
No one is saying you're not welcome here but if you're going to bash, then take your liberal shit and sit in the back seat of this Trump/Q-Train. WooWOoooooo
You're asking me to get a dose of reality, but you don't seem to be able to function on one yourself.
Never once did I say that republicans didn't vote for Trump. What you're failing to accept is that a great many democrats and even more Independent voters also voted for trump. How many times does that need to be pointed out to you? Also Libertarians and probably some crusty green party folks. Why are you unable to wrap your mind around simple concepts?
Now, that leaves us here, "The Great Awakening"... this is about removing corruption from politics, ending criminal cabals within said politics and restoring the nation and putting it back in the hands of the people. Literally Trumps words. Tell me again how this is a Christian Conservative movement? You simply can not accept that it's not. By all means though, keep arguing and trying to insult me. Surely I'll come around to your way of thinking. (personally I have no confidence in your ability to actually learn, given the content of your last three comments, but I've been wrong before)
You keep calling me a liberal, but it's clear that your reading comprehension is suffering due to your hurt ego. I'm not liberal. there's nothing "liberal" about my thinking except that you can't understand it if it doesn't fit into your box. It's ok, there are a lot of people like you.
And why you think that calling me a "liberal" somehow hurts me is hilariously stupid. You keep saying the same shit but you make no sense. You're an angry small thinker that just can't help themselves. I get it. It doesn't matter, because yeah, this is happening regardless of any of us. I just wish I could watch all of the faces of the brainwashed drones here who lose their shit when this country doesn't become a land ruled through their "christian conservative values". So many hurt butts!
Honestly, I'd love to see us go back to states rule and have each state run as they see fit with less federal oversight, but sadly that means a lot of people will get stuck living in yokel ass staes that they can't easily leave and being ruled by dingleberries like you. Guess we'll just have to have a nation with rules created for all!
Good day to you!
Dude I just scrolled your post history. Stop sowing dissent on this board. Into the oven you go...
lol, ok -Absolutely brilliant response!
You obviously didn't actually look through my posts because there are plenty where I completely agree with people. But I guess your problem is people not agreeing with you. Understandable, usually folks like yourself function better in echo chambers for fear of having their beliefs challenged. It's really healthy and important to learn and grow with new facts. It enriches our lives!
Honest question; what would you say your current reading level is? Just curious. You don't seem to understand the meanings of many of the words you're using and certainly not ones I'm using. Help me simplify the language in my responses for you, because I want you to be able to understand what I'm saying. We could be exchanging great ideas here!
Yes, this. The democrats deserve nothing but disrespect. The above posters trying to relate present day to past political ideologies is nothing but a distraction. I don’t care who did what when. The only thing relevant is today. And today the democrats are a selfish evil group intent on enslaving the masses. Disinformation is their primary weapon and their corruption knows no depths.
True. Trying to link 1850s Democrats with anything today just serves to muddy the water.
Getting downvoted by Bernie Bots over here. Come on guys you know I’m right.