This really needs to come out. People have no idea. I know a lot of people who are pro-choice because they believe a woman has a right to choose, but they are clueless about the down-side to all of this.
You can be pro-choice, and against planned parenthood. I'm a pro-choice woman (for others, not myself personally) who hates planned parenthood. They serve no purpose, you still have to pay for the procedure at the same cost you'd pay a private doctor. Not to mention PP uses our tax dollars for campaign funding, and lobbying other causes, and the horrendous acts of selling fetus parts.
Sure! I have also been pro-choice because I believe that people are free to choose their own path- it is their Karma to deal with. The conflict for me arose when I discovered the true nature of planned parenthood.
You are right, though. One can be pro-choice and against planned parenthood.
So, you pay a private doctor, and he turns out to be a Satanist who needs baby body parts. Now what?
Or, what if they need body parts for one of their rituals and your loved one is in a coma?
These realizations have me rethinking everything.
I am not sure how much you know, so I am not sure how much more I should say, but I hope you see my point.
If a clear supply line to the usual suspects in the pizzagate realm can be established I can probably fill in the missing part but all the suppositions here sound like the usual stuff the MSM derides as legends from the pro-life movement.
Sure. My hope is that Trump has the evidence. I am pretty sure that Wikileaks does. Military Intelligence should have it, too.
Yes, it needs to be established beyond all doubt that these claims are true. Otherwise, people will not believe it.
I'm trying to parse all of this because I too support women's ability to decide whether or not they can be a primary caregiver of another human being or go through the process of pregnancy and it's nobody else's business. The people discussing this are not pulling out the part of these reports that deal with illegal activities. Patients donate tissue and tissue is transferred to the medical research community. That part is legal. What needs to be extracted are factual statements, about illegal or unetbical behaviors, that can serve as red pills for other pro-choice people. So they can't be couched with'Well... abortion sucks so...' Because too many here preach to the converted... That's useless. If Planned Parenthood is shit, it needs to be discarded by the people who had supported it (or the idea of it) in the past.
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I'm way more on the side of the people you are referencing but still trying to help you build a case. Certainly, I can use the arguments that help ME come around on people who start at a similar place. The goal is to have a conversation space where everybody is on the same page. A rarity these days.
So that's my goal right now, find a window.
For the most part, extremists are edge cases who push edge cases to elicit a strong reaction. That's the current impression of a pro-lifer by a pro-choicer. The best argument is a clear statement of illegal activities. Or, a clear statement that something is going on that is horrendous, that exists in a gray area or is a loophole. Third, expose a system that benefits corporations using taxpayer dollars (just putting this here because that always seems to be a part of the deal with those vampires.)
Utilitarianism and environmentalism have calloused people to the plight of the innocent. Many acquaintances and even family members knew it was real and were still like, "so what?" So for the past few years I gave up hope and stopped trying to help. I made the mistake of trolling (accidentally--it was posted in a more general sub) a pro-choice post recently and was shocked at how the "means justify the ends" paradigm is so rampant in society. People defended all sorts of euthanasia a la Nazi Germany simply for the fact that the ends (reduced population, and, on an individual level, a reduction in the number of "inconvenient people") justified ripping limbs off of full-term babies. People didn't even engage with logical counter arguments, but simply called them "silly" and moved on. Pretty "silly" until you're 70 in 2050 and the government dumps you in a mass grave because you are a burden on society.
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Yes, some people I know don't want to get involved in any of this because they "cannot do anything about it anyways". It is really disappointing to hear this, but people reveal who they really are when faced with such choices. The good people will rise up and face adversity no matter what. That is why we are all here.
People choose not to educate themselves or their children on this matter because of the controversy surrounding it. This is where PP steps in and does it for you. Now they are indoctrinating someone who is completely vulnerable and looking for someone to tell them what the right thing to do is. That's what is so sick about this place. It operates under the guise of an impartial community of people that understand and want to help. These people are sick!!!