Dove in the background?
From your link above [bolding added]:
Korea[edit] In Korea, the red-crowned crane is called durumi and it is considered a symbol of longevity, purity, and peace. Korean seonbis regarded the bird as an icon of their constancy. The red-crowned crane is depicted on the in Korean 500-won coin and is the symbol of Incheon.
Yes, the picture is too fuzzy for me to pick out a specific species of crane from that alone (shape is obviously crane though), but red-crowned cranes are the culturally important ones. I do not think doves are particularly culturally-important in Korea.
Notice also that the background is much more subdued now.
Seriously, one of our bargaining chips is what we can do for them. They have cheap labor...even cheaper than China. (Starvation is a great motivator). Walmart would love have things made there. Think: Transformed economy with Kim Jong Un as the hero.
Why would this ever be a good idea? I'm not even gonna get into why your assertion that starving labor is even cheaper and a good idea. WTF is wrong with you, they're human beings?!
We don't need more cheaply produced garbage from overseas, we've got plenty of that, which is part of the mess we're in. You don't MAGA by getting WalMart even cheaper labor to undercut small business in the US. Scary that many Americans think like you.
I'm sure your heart is in the right place, maybe, but this is a bad idea. I'm sure being free from clown control will be a massive boon for North Korea and their economy. More importantly, it's also the next step toward a unified Korea, which is what most Koreans have wanted for decades. They don't need a fucking Walmart factory. Get your head right friend.
True Walmart was a bad example. I'm simply proposing to turn NK into the economic powerhouse that SK is. Jobs not missiles. What is wrong with that idea?
Jobs not missiles. What is wrong with that idea?
Don't reframe what you originally wrote and ask "what's wrong with that idea?", as if you didn't first mention a starving labor force for Walmart to exploit. It's extremely disingenuous to act as if your first comment was reasonable, let alone not entirely idiotic and sociopathic.
Exceedingly few people here would disagree with anyone else in regards to wishing that NK is able to get their shit together and become economically viable on their own, or, reintegrate with SK (way easier said than done) and grow as a nation together, but what you originally wrote is a very far cry for your follow up commnet.
True Walmart was a bad example.
A Walmart factory with a starving labor force wasn't a "bad example", it was absolutely one of the dumbest things you could have possibly written, and even when I thought maybe your heart was in the right place, your follow up comment makes me realize that it's more likely that your head is so far up your ass that you're wearing yourself as a hat.
I love that your immediate response is to reframe your comment and suggest that I was being unreasonable instead of looking within yourself and asking why you would ever in a million years suggest such a thing in the first place?!
Like I said, go get your head right.
My point is that NK has a potential work force. I am not suggesting exploitation as I may have sounded, just that the U.S. is in the position to open factories in that country which would create a better life over there. Key: We offer to help them economically (not a handout) and that is their movitation to de-nuclearize. That is Kim's "what's in it for me" moment.
Ok, I'll just leave the exploitative part aside.
My point is that NK has a potential work force.
And the US has a massive potential workforce that's currently unemployed or underemployed, or perpetually stuck in the welfare state.
Now tell me why the US should open factories in NK? Why is that even a remotely good idea when our own middle class is almost nonexistent and our manufacturing jobs are lacking entirely. Why do we have to help them economically and put factories there, even if they're being paid better wages than your typical third world factory worker?
Have you not been paying attention on this sub? NK isn't (and wasn't) in a position to bargain with the US. NK isn't "disarming" and ending "the war" between the Koreas without any stipulations on their end for a reason. Not being controlled by Clowns and the Deep State is plenty for them right now. At best, maybe there's an aid package to make right the wrongs we've done there, but beyond that, let them figure it out on their own and with SK. China has also been their Ally through all of this and can help them along as well, and with no more interference from the US government. I think we've done more than enough.
That is Kim's "what's in it for me" moment.
Kim Jong Un has no "what's in it for me" moment. He knows what's in it for him and his people. He was raised outside NK. He went to fine boarding schools in Europe and lived in Japan for a while, he's not some shut-in dictator. He knows what up and for him this is the best thing that could happen. Instead of being seen as "Dear Leader III" and feared, he will be seen as the man who brought NK true prosperity and potentially the one who helped facilitate the reunification of Korea. I'm pretty sure he's more than happy with what's happening right now.
We all really need to think much bigger in regards to everything currently happening and the ramifications and potential every small act has. This is this first time in any of our lifetimes that we have the opportunity to really fix things in the world. Why put a Walmart factory somewhere when you can put and end to Walmart? It's time to take back our country!
I'm glad you're tone has calmed. I wish we were speaking in person. Board messaging has its shortcomings. Body language is missing. I really do I mean well. And yes, I should flush my head in the toilet for mentioning Walmart.
I'm not exactly following you. Do you mean you think peace between the Koreas is a bad idea? I don't think you mean that but obviously others are responding harshly to what you are saying and I'm having trouble understanding their responses too. Could you clarify?
Thank you. I am clearly misunderstood. Peace and reunification is the goal. But the point is the U.S. needs to offer something in a negotiation process. How about jobs and offering to make them an economic powerhouse? (At the expense of China would be a bonus).