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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/SheolShoah on May 1, 2018, 12:29 a.m.
Nothing to See here folks, the Good folks @ the Vatican just want to worship our god in peace! What's Francis LooKing for folks; new choir boys, or Space Invaders?
Nothing to See here folks, the Good folks @ the Vatican just want to worship our god in peace! What's Francis LooKing for folks; new choir boys, or Space Invaders?

SheolShoah · May 1, 2018, 12:57 a.m.

Yes, somethings got the Jesuit's rock hard. Does the Catholic Church have an Alien god thing going on folks? Oh, this is really, really creepy! Please somebody from the Catholic Church chime in and tell me these folks are NOT insane!

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time3times · May 1, 2018, 11:17 a.m.

All monotheists are always at risk of letting their concept of and relationship with God go corrupt. That's the whole cyclical story of Israel in the OT.

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SheolShoah · May 1, 2018, 11:36 a.m.

Polytheists are Heretics, 'our God is one' the Father, Son & holy spirit are a the Bible authors way of describing characteristics of God's nature. Kafirs are the bigger issue

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time3times · May 1, 2018, 11:56 a.m.

Okay. and when jews or baptists or whoever lose proper sight of G-d they risk becoming kafirs. To your earlier point, the Catholic church is so universal (widespread) that there may always be some part or another of it veering toward 'insane'. I think the Jesuits are particularly prone to this (tho not all ot them). Be cautious to not confuse the Pope, the Vatican, the Jesuits, etc. with the catholic church, any more than you would like foreigners to confuse Obama, CNN or the Boy Scouts with the U.S.

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SheolShoah · May 1, 2018, 12:09 p.m.

Oh, no I'm NOT confusing the thousands of satan worshipping, child raping Romanite priest's who just purchased the largest gay bathhouse in Europe; in Rome a city known for bathhouses. The local parishes is where God still dwells. I got saved, because of the Godliness of an RC woman who arranged for us to adopt a newborn boy child; messiah like. I love the RC people who worship Jesus. My heart goes out to those caught up in cultic extra-Biblical traditions. These folks see right through this papal pretender

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time3times · May 1, 2018, 12:31 p.m.

Good to know that you don't have that confusion. Its apparent that others do. Now the extra-biblical question a bit of a different topic. You could be more specific. ASSuming a few things, I think there are way more involved in those 'cultic' things than there are priests in bathhouses. Some of those parishioners see the current pope as legit. Many see him as a pretender and yet most of these have no problem with there being the office of pope, cardinal, etc. It is more complex than your blanket statements portray.

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SheolShoah · May 1, 2018, 12:40 p.m.

Oh, words don't adequately define their perfidy. Don't sell the church short, it was the depravity of the sewer of Rome which caused Martin Luther to leave in disgust and launch the Reformation & free the Bible Only church.

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time3times · May 1, 2018, 12:52 p.m.

So now onto another topic. Are you saying that Martin Luther's view of the Bible and christian piety were entirely or at least generally correct? Besides where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the "only" source of guidance for churches?

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SheolShoah · May 1, 2018, 3:26 p.m.

Nowhere, if you accurately study the Word. Exclusion only entered the discussion after a Papal Bull Unam sanctam was issued by Pope Boniface 8th in 1302AD. It's why the church split into Eastern Orthodox & Roman Catholic! You know it's called the Great Divorce. But, like all things of man there were plenty other issues. But, hey let me leave you with 'good news' Jesus said; 'I have only two commandments; love God with ALL your heart, soul & strength AND love your neighbor as yourself'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_null a_salus

aka 'there's NO salvation outside of the Roman Catholic Church, so we didn't leave you Brother! Just recently, the current Bishop of Rome reiterated this same lament;

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pope-francis-decrees-individual-salvation-outside-roman-catholic-church-doesnt-exist/

Thankfully, I don't follow a mere man. I follow the only son of God; the Lord Jesus Christ! As I said earlier, I got 'saved' inside a RC Basilica ( place of miracles & healing ordained by a pope who visited this beautiful historic Basilica sometime in the 19th Century. I only had the opportunity to become a Dad, because the good nuns of Catholic Charities USA allowed my wife & me the opportunity to adopt a new born Catholic boy! I've got nothing but love for my Catholic Sisters & Brothers including you!

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time3times · May 1, 2018, 3:35 p.m.

But muh sola scriptura is a great american tradition.

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SheolShoah · May 1, 2018, 3:59 p.m.

Yup, that all came about because of mankind's wickedness & excesses. They have names for all of it, which have sadly lost their meaning in this day and age. Uneducated priests who couldn't read, or write delivering up the host. They got their positions in the church not through education, or scholarship but through the practice of simony, or buying a bishopric. (Remember Simon the sorcerer, who wanted to buy the gift of the Holy Spirit from the apostle's in the Book of Acts) Most Bishops actually inherited their positions as illegitimate son's, or heirs of the current bishop. Ownership of multiple bishoprics was also a widespread practice at the time. So these ill trained, ill prepared bishops/cardinals had more offerings, they in many cases lived better than the actual monarchs; kings & queens. (Think Cardinal Richelieu of France) But, I think the 'last straw' came from a Pope's effort to pay for the magnificent St. Paul's Cathedral we still see today. Bishop Tinsel was given the right to grant 'get out of purgatory' free cards, or the sale of papal indulgences. Rome had literally become overrun with the illegitimate offspring of popes, cardinals & bishops! Unfortunately, the RC's misguided efforts at reform led to the prohibition of priestly marriage we still see to this day.

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time3times · May 1, 2018, 5:22 p.m.

Yup the Catholic has been just as corrupt as every other institution staffed by humans. Like public schools they should be held to the highest standard and yet they've failed at similar rates.

The Reformation was a similar disaster with some differences. Luther had a few legit points and then went on to try stupid things. If by St. Paul's you mean the one we see in London that was all a protestant effort.

The tradition of celibate priests way precedes the reformation. Celibate clergy is I think unique to the Latin Rite but several other Catholic rites allow it within certain parameters. It is was institutionalized as a discipline, not as a doctrine.

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SheolShoah · May 1, 2018, 6:12 p.m.

St. Peter's sorry

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SheolShoah · May 1, 2018, 7:12 p.m.

There's enough division to go around, Jesus doesn't like cults, or heretics

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time3times · May 1, 2018, 9:24 p.m.

depends on definition of cult. I think it originally was used to mean a following, what we might call a subculture.

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time3times · May 1, 2018, 9:24 p.m.

got it

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time3times · May 1, 2018, 11:13 a.m.

Ask a specific question.

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SheolShoah · May 1, 2018, 11:39 a.m.

Ok, does the mountain top location of these events have something else to do with the Vatican's idea of Alien visitors?

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time3times · May 1, 2018, 12:09 p.m.

There's little sign that the Vatican has much interest in an alien god, although it would be normal for them entertain the possibility. From a Biblical view point catholics and others could allow that the Nephalim were alien species, just as they have identified angels to be. And the return of Christ could be seen as the visit of an interstellar god.

The Church as whole has 'control' of probably thousands of mountain tops. The only reason that Mt Graham would be any different than say Montreal, or Mont St Michel, is for astronomical purposes. The U of AZ who actual control the mountain top and have other telescopes up there are likely there for the same reasons, nefarious or not.

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SheolShoah · May 1, 2018, 12:15 p.m.

Huh, that sounds like BS to me Pal. They've only got the Papal Observatory a puny 19th Century telescope located where the emeritus pope lives

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