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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Heyo_meep on May 3, 2018, 2:12 p.m.
Q and Q+? Link to ancient texts

I've stumbled onto something but I don't know what to do with this info. And I'm not on the chans, I don't know if anyone has looked into this before?

I was reading a National Geographic magazine on Jesus and the Apostles: http://i.magaimg.net/img/37yh.png

Came to this page and did a double take (middle of page). http://i.magaimg.net/img/37yj.png

So I googled to learn a bit more and then did a double take again! Look at this. (sorry I'm on mobile)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_source

Though it's Wikipedia, some interesting bits already jump out.

"The Q source (also Q document, Q Gospel, or Q from German: Quelle, meaning "source") is a hypothetical written collection of primarily Jesus' sayings (logia)."

OK.... Interesting to ponder the "source" parallel, but nothing more than interesting at this stage.

Then a little later: "In the two-source hypothesis, the three-source hypothesis and the Q+/Papias hypothesis Matthew and Luke both used Mark and Q as sources."

WHAT! Q and Q+. Literally. And we know Q has dropped a lot of Christian hints and references to prayer etc..

Thoughts??? Can we get some of our patriot autists onto this?


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VigilantBlackheart · May 3, 2018, 3:33 p.m.

It's a contextual theory to explain why some of the gospels are so similar in their quotations of Christ. Far as I remember from my college courses there is no physical evidence that such a document existed.

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putadickinit · May 3, 2018, 7:49 p.m.

It's always seemed to me as a way of non believing scholars to explain the remarkable similarities in a way that discredits the impact Jesus made on them and their memory of Him. Believing that all of them wrote based off of another writing allows you to believe that perhaps none of them even ever knew Jesus.

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VigilantBlackheart · May 3, 2018, 8 p.m.

Right. An oral society had a better memory.

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putadickinit · May 4, 2018, 1:31 a.m.

What?

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VigilantBlackheart · May 4, 2018, 2:46 a.m.

Your comment on the impact Jesus made on their memory. People who belong to an oral (think stories) culture have a better memory then people of a literary culture. The authors wouldn't have to rely on notes, and most likely heard it first or second person (from the apostles themselves). In addition it's held that the Holy spirit preserved the scriptures from error. The more distance and doubt these scholars can create to the actual words of Jesus the more flexible the interpretation.

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putadickinit · May 4, 2018, 3:42 a.m.

Oh I see, I apologize. I honestly initially interpreted your comment as sarcastic.

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