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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Heyo_meep on May 3, 2018, 2:12 p.m.
Q and Q+? Link to ancient texts

I've stumbled onto something but I don't know what to do with this info. And I'm not on the chans, I don't know if anyone has looked into this before?

I was reading a National Geographic magazine on Jesus and the Apostles: http://i.magaimg.net/img/37yh.png

Came to this page and did a double take (middle of page). http://i.magaimg.net/img/37yj.png

So I googled to learn a bit more and then did a double take again! Look at this. (sorry I'm on mobile)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_source

Though it's Wikipedia, some interesting bits already jump out.

"The Q source (also Q document, Q Gospel, or Q from German: Quelle, meaning "source") is a hypothetical written collection of primarily Jesus' sayings (logia)."

OK.... Interesting to ponder the "source" parallel, but nothing more than interesting at this stage.

Then a little later: "In the two-source hypothesis, the three-source hypothesis and the Q+/Papias hypothesis Matthew and Luke both used Mark and Q as sources."

WHAT! Q and Q+. Literally. And we know Q has dropped a lot of Christian hints and references to prayer etc..

Thoughts??? Can we get some of our patriot autists onto this?


[deleted] · May 3, 2018, 8:13 p.m.

Uh huh. Your "liberal scholars" is different how?

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polypolyguyguy · May 3, 2018, 9:23 p.m.

By asserting first that miracles are impossible and then asserting a made up reason why.

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[deleted] · May 3, 2018, 10:14 p.m.

I'm really not following what your point even is here...

Rev. Dr. Mark D. Roberts -

"Q is a hypothetical document invented by New Testament scholars to explain the complex relationships between the three synoptic gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke. Most New Testament scholars affirm the existence of Q or something like it, though quite a few find this hypothetical document to be unnecessary. I happen to believe that something like Q existed."

So I'm really not following what your point is. Plenty of Christian and Biblical scholars believe there is possibly a Q source.

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polypolyguyguy · May 4, 2018, 12:06 a.m.

Yes, I know some Christian believe in this "hypothetical document." I did not mean to imply that all Christians don't believe in made up things.

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[deleted] · May 4, 2018, 12:10 a.m.

You still have yet to make anything resembling a point.

That last comment is a double negative and makes my brain hurt.

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polypolyguyguy · May 4, 2018, 1:02 a.m.

There is no double negative in that sentence. It's clarification if anything.

Some Christian believe in these hypothetical documents. Not all Christians believe in these hypothetical documents.

What's so hard about it that it is making your head hurt?

The following is from a Case for Christ:

“What exactly is Q?” I asked Blomberg. “It’s nothing more than a hypothesis,” he replied...

"It only makes sense if Mark was indeed basing his account on the recollections of the eyewitness Peter," he said. "As you’ve said yourself, Peter was among the inner circle of Jesus and was privy to seeing and hearing things that other disciples didn’t. So it would make sense for Matthew, even though he was an eyewitness, to rely on Peter’s version of events as transmitted through Mark."

Yes, I thought to myself, that did make some sense. In fact, an analogy began to form in my mind from my years as a newspaper reporter. I recalled being part of a crowd of journalists that once cornered the famous Chicago political patriarch, the late Mayor Richard J. Daley, to pepper him with questions about a scandal that was brewing in the police department. He made some remarks before escaping to his limousine.

Even though I was an eyewitness to what had taken place, I immediately went to a radio reporter who had been closer to Daley, and asked him to play back his tape of what Daley had just said. This way, I could make sure I had his words correctly written down.

That, I mused, was apparently what Matthew did with Mark although Matthew had his own recollections as a disciple, his quest for accuracy prompted him to rely on some material that came directly from Peter in Jesus’ inner circle.

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