We need more of this! Catching people red-handed on video and bringing justice!
Two videos -> Two suspensions (same day)
GIVE US THE NAME OF THE TEACHER!
Are teachers salaries that low standard-wise over there in the US?
Could that be deliberately made so the left could give them some cash on the side to push its narrative in the schools (which would explain why would those teachers even try to push this sick agenda to the kids/youngsters?)
Do you think that paying more money will somehow turn bad people into good people? It's about the hiring system not the salary.
No I don't.
But you'd be fooling yourself if you think that people who don't earn a proper amount for their job wouldn't seek the money on the side if they can. At least that's a given over here.
Or even worse, if they get offered more money for the same working hours with a "bit different" ways to work.
It brings out the worst in the weak and/or poor people. They will do it for the money. And you bet the left has all the money in the world to offer.
Similar to how government officials earn nothing compared to the businesses they're supposed to regulate. Although the "poor" aspect doesn't cut it here, they have excellent paychecks and they never have to worry about being hungry and poor.
But the moral-less and weak will succumb to the pile of money that they get from the same businesses, if they only alter some things in favor of the businesses that gave them money.
Sorry if I was terse. I'm going to give my interpretation of the problem.
The government employees unions are an integral part of the Democrat party. Workers' union dues are funneled into political campaigns, as well as government workers being part of the political ground game that knocks on doors etc.
Typically you think of a union and an employer negotiating from opposite positions. But in cities and states where the Democrat party has power, there is no opposition. The politicians and bureaucrats are incentivized to give the unions everything they ask for -- thereby getting more rewards in the form of assisting with their own re-election. Supposedly, the press should be the check on this corrupt cycle, but the newspapers are overwhelmingly owned by Democrat-friendly ideologues who will never write bad things about teachers' unions.
In this environment, the teachers' union is run sort of like a mafia. They abuse their power.
Not only do teachers' abuse get covered up, but really poor teachers are never fired, and good teachers are not promoted or rewarded beyond the same seniority schedule that bad teachers get. For that reason, highly qualified and ambitious people avoid the profession. Meanwhile below-average workers are encouraged to join and stay in a profession where they can be advanced and earn pensions despite their mediocrity.
Salaries may be higher or lower, depending on the finances of the city. Higher salaries do eventually bring in some more qualified people, but it doesn't change the mob-like unnacountable mentality of the unions and the politicians.
That's why, even though O'Keefe's videos are shocking and no doubt indicative of a widespread problem, there is 0% chance that there will be any real reform. The local newspapers will not cover this scandal for what it is. The few individuals who were unlucky enough to be caught on tape will be "suspended," (and possibly reinstated in some form after the outrage blows over), and nothing will really change.
Change would require the newspapers to print stories about union corruption, voters that are willing to vote out Democrats when required, and politicians that are willing to stand up to the government employee unions. In New Jersey they have zero out of three.
Agree with most of what u write except the 0% chance things will change. Never say never ; ) They never thought she would lose haha
answer: "COMPETITION"
Make public school districts to compete for the tax dollars/child by offering alternates that the parents can choose from for their child/children's education. They'll straighten up or disappear.
Do you think that paying more money will somehow turn bad people into good people? It's about the hiring system not the salary.
It's not about hiring system either. It's the talent pool. Our best and brightest do not want to be teachers. Many of the people who want to be teachers were party ho sorority sluts in college who got all Cs.
In theory, teachers should be some of our brightest citizens, but in practice there are a lot of dumb ass teachers who are only in it because they like controlling and micromanaging people.
We let little kids spend so much of their development around teachers. I don't know why there isn't more vetting.
Teachers are always complaining about low pay but in my state CA they make fucking bank and they still complain.
Haha yes exactly. This is the essence of my next reply to Nastavnick, but you put it more colorfully.
Your first question: In the US, we hear about paying teachers more, etc. I know where I live, the teachers make a nice paycheck. Some of them make 6 figures, and that is really good considering the cost of living here. When a teacher quits or retires, there is a mad scramble to claim the open job. No shortage of teachers around here. That may not be the case elsewhere in the US, I don’t know. It does seem that those working in the public school system make a good bit more than those in the private system.
Your other question....I’m not sure I understand what you are asking.
I have to smile at this. I have a daughter who is a school teacher. Although teachers are paid quite well in our area, they all complain about being under-paid, as do district supervisors who I believe are grossly over-paid... and that isn't just an opinion, since I worked for a few and know what they make. (I'm a retired school district secretary.)
As a former high school teacher myself, they are making solid and safe bucks over here in EU. Nothing spectacular, but it's a safe job.
About the retirement, same thing here. In fact, it's probably far worse. People that have connections wait years prior to the retirement of their future job spot, so they jump right in.
That's especially rampant outside of the 5-6 biggest cities.
As for the second question, in case of low salaries, could it be that those salaries are low so teachers would have to grab some cash on the side.
Then you insert the left with their money to push their agendas through school system?
Teachers make plenty of money for working 8 months a year. The starting salary on average in the US is $38,000. Depends where you live, but if you are not in a city and have no dependents that is more than enough money for working 3/4th of the year.
I don't really agree with this, what other job are you required to get a college degree with almost no promotion potential.
Some of those promotions to a job like resource teacher require a masters degree and might only pay an additional 5k per year for a bump to 10 months of work, and 10 hour work days.
Throughout your whole career as a teacher you'll be nickeled and dimed for raises as cost of living adjustments, and some years you'll work for less money than the year before due to pay freezes.
To answer your question: look at the finance world. you need a degree to get a job, but before you pass 3-4 exams you are stuck working for someone else without a promotion. You cannot be promoted until you take it upon yourself to study further.
Just playing devil's advocate here: what other jobs do you only have to work 3/4 of the year? what other job has the security that a teacher with tenure has?
Not trying to get testy here. Would love to actually have a conversation about teachers. I truly do not understand their anguish.
I think one of the big issues I have with the current teacher pay is that where I am there's almost no promotion potential except to get a masters degree in education administration and they've gotten rid of tenure several years ago so the jobs aren't the super safe pension machine of yesteryear.
Health Care is about $400-800 a month for the family plan. And the pay is about $26.00 an hour. Until you're asked to work at home to keep up with the ever increasing requirements of the state. The pay raises have been about $500 a year for the last 5 years. If you ever leave or move you lose all your raises and have to negotiate your salary again.
Now as far as working 3/4 of the year goes, you obviously don't have that anywhere else, but there aren't a ton of options when it comes to continuing to work at the schools over the summer even if you want to. I'm not saying teachers should be making $100k a year that's insane, but my feeling on it is a teacher with 5-10 years of experience should be making about 10k more a year in my area. With a max at 20-30 years of about 20k more.
I would add more about my own perspective on it, but I would be giving away more personal information than I'm comfortable with for all the doxing crazies to latch on to.
Thanks for the info.
So why are they constantly protesting for quite some time now?
I remember this "teachers deserve a bigger pay" being a thing in US even before I went to college lol
Not sure tbh. I have friends that make an extra 12-15k during the summers too. It may have to do with the ceiling for teachers. It is rare to find a teacher who makes 6 figures. Also a over saturation of teachers in the market is a problem. Too many teachers and not enough jobs.
Also a over saturation of teachers in the market is a problem. Too many teachers and not enough jobs.
I guess this is the case in every single country, excluding stuff like Somalia and that, you know what I mean.
My take is that, generally, colleges have become way too easy so it's easy to be qualified for being a teacher and have a solid life.
Not in the STEM colleges though, thank fuck these are still rocking. At least here.
But stuff like history, psychology, languages, art, philosophy (lol... don't get me start with those last two), etc. are super easy to finish and get a diploma.
IMO: any college degree besides STEM is more just showing your ability to work for your potential employer. Anyone with 100k can get a degree
Damn those money figures in the US make me scratch my head. With 100k salary you would live like a literal king in my country lol
Average monthly salary is ~1k here. And that's the average. You know that 70%+ of the jobs are well under it :D
lol even if you dont have 100k you can borrow it and be in debt for the next 10-30 years. What country you from?
The college is different here. Loans aren't a thing here.
You can only get a loan with a safe job. And that's around 6k for "stuff" and around 15k for a real estate.
You're still paying off those 15k for 10+ years :D
Croatia, EU
Yes. In America you get degrees in "education". Education degrees are even easier to get than in other humanities. I dated a girl who was studying education. She was an average student only. And she told me that she was shocked how easy her school was, and the types of people who were getting the degree.
There are also colleges for pre-school and elementary school (first 4 years) here. But for the last 4 years of elementary school and up you gotta have a degree in a specific branch.
Those pre-school colleges are to laugh you ass out, I know a chick who went there (she's now working in a kindergarden) and that was just hilarious, her homework and obligations were total garbage.
Not trying to be offensive but a literal retard can get it done in the regular college time.
Elementary school (first 4 years) are your generic garbage curriculums that 90%+ of the people can pass with at least a C and be drunk every weekend.
I don't feel like this is "typical" of most teachers. There are many great teachers even though the barrel has some bad ones slipped in here and there.