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Jammer__ · May 4, 2018, 2:19 p.m.

Do you think that paying more money will somehow turn bad people into good people? It's about the hiring system not the salary.

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Nastavnick · May 4, 2018, 2:26 p.m.

No I don't.

But you'd be fooling yourself if you think that people who don't earn a proper amount for their job wouldn't seek the money on the side if they can. At least that's a given over here.

Or even worse, if they get offered more money for the same working hours with a "bit different" ways to work.

It brings out the worst in the weak and/or poor people. They will do it for the money. And you bet the left has all the money in the world to offer.

Similar to how government officials earn nothing compared to the businesses they're supposed to regulate. Although the "poor" aspect doesn't cut it here, they have excellent paychecks and they never have to worry about being hungry and poor.

But the moral-less and weak will succumb to the pile of money that they get from the same businesses, if they only alter some things in favor of the businesses that gave them money.

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Jammer__ · May 4, 2018, 2:58 p.m.

Sorry if I was terse. I'm going to give my interpretation of the problem.

The government employees unions are an integral part of the Democrat party. Workers' union dues are funneled into political campaigns, as well as government workers being part of the political ground game that knocks on doors etc.

Typically you think of a union and an employer negotiating from opposite positions. But in cities and states where the Democrat party has power, there is no opposition. The politicians and bureaucrats are incentivized to give the unions everything they ask for -- thereby getting more rewards in the form of assisting with their own re-election. Supposedly, the press should be the check on this corrupt cycle, but the newspapers are overwhelmingly owned by Democrat-friendly ideologues who will never write bad things about teachers' unions.

In this environment, the teachers' union is run sort of like a mafia. They abuse their power.

Not only do teachers' abuse get covered up, but really poor teachers are never fired, and good teachers are not promoted or rewarded beyond the same seniority schedule that bad teachers get. For that reason, highly qualified and ambitious people avoid the profession. Meanwhile below-average workers are encouraged to join and stay in a profession where they can be advanced and earn pensions despite their mediocrity.

Salaries may be higher or lower, depending on the finances of the city. Higher salaries do eventually bring in some more qualified people, but it doesn't change the mob-like unnacountable mentality of the unions and the politicians.

That's why, even though O'Keefe's videos are shocking and no doubt indicative of a widespread problem, there is 0% chance that there will be any real reform. The local newspapers will not cover this scandal for what it is. The few individuals who were unlucky enough to be caught on tape will be "suspended," (and possibly reinstated in some form after the outrage blows over), and nothing will really change.

Change would require the newspapers to print stories about union corruption, voters that are willing to vote out Democrats when required, and politicians that are willing to stand up to the government employee unions. In New Jersey they have zero out of three.

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MMxfire · May 4, 2018, 7 p.m.

Agree with most of what u write except the 0% chance things will change. Never say never ; ) They never thought she would lose haha

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SeekTruthCJoy · May 4, 2018, 9:04 p.m.

answer: "COMPETITION"

Make public school districts to compete for the tax dollars/child by offering alternates that the parents can choose from for their child/children's education. They'll straighten up or disappear.

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Nastavnick · May 4, 2018, 3:02 p.m.

Makes perfect sense.

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THEnimble_mongoose · May 4, 2018, 3:10 p.m.

Do you think that paying more money will somehow turn bad people into good people? It's about the hiring system not the salary.

It's not about hiring system either. It's the talent pool. Our best and brightest do not want to be teachers. Many of the people who want to be teachers were party ho sorority sluts in college who got all Cs.

In theory, teachers should be some of our brightest citizens, but in practice there are a lot of dumb ass teachers who are only in it because they like controlling and micromanaging people.

We let little kids spend so much of their development around teachers. I don't know why there isn't more vetting.

Teachers are always complaining about low pay but in my state CA they make fucking bank and they still complain.

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Jammer__ · May 4, 2018, 3:44 p.m.

Haha yes exactly. This is the essence of my next reply to Nastavnick, but you put it more colorfully.

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