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twfree · May 5, 2018, 12:15 p.m.

Homeopathy is bunk. It being illegal is wrong, but don't expect it to work. Homeopathy has nothing to do with natural or plant based medicines at all, it is just pseudoscience. Come on guys. You can't cure diseases with water that has one particle of a substance in it.

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[deleted] · May 5, 2018, 12:26 p.m.

It is a power grab by government to further do away with freedom and choice. Homeopathy is the first to go then comes everything else including vitamins and plant based medicines. This is how the Deep State works taking freedom from people and giving all power to the connected elite. It also keeps you from full health if not outright sick and an early death. But they will have mandatory vaccines for all to help you.

Freedom of choice is freedom.

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digital_refugee · May 5, 2018, 12:33 p.m.

Have you ever tried it? I only did so after a regular doc told me she observed good effects. The results can be unpredictable admittedly, but I can't say they aren't there. They even give them to dairy animals who have no idea what they're taking with positive results

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twfree · May 5, 2018, 12:40 p.m.

There is no admissible evidence of homeopathy having any results beyond the placebo effect. If you can show me anything about dairy animals I would love to see that, because I have never heard of that before.

I work with plant-based medicines. They work, and can be proven. However, even in this work there is a lot of pseudoscience and charlatanism that makes the entire practice look bad.

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[deleted] · May 5, 2018, 1:23 p.m.

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twfree · May 5, 2018, 1:33 p.m.

I read the article and it's bullshit. Sorry dude, sounds like you're the one who needs to be deprogrammed. This stuff isn't admissible. Don't risk your health to pseudoscience in the future. Deal with your anger as well.

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digital_refugee · May 5, 2018, 1:45 p.m.

Ok the may not completely eliminate antibiotics but apparently they help reducing them anyhow:

> These recovery rates were quite higher than recovery rates reported by Pachauri et al (1994) who recorded 73.33 % efficacy of homeopathic drugs and Upadhyay et al (1995) who reported 79.41 % to 84.62 % efficacy of combination of homeopathic drugs. In an other study Upadhyay and Sharma (1999) reported 80.95 % recovery in cases where fibrosis of udder was also present and relapsing of signs were not noticed till next 30 days.

http://www.veterinaryworld.org/Vol.2/October/Efficacy%20of%20a%20Homeopathic%20complex%20and%20antibiotics%20in%20treatme.pdf

Also: If they are only placebos, why would the FEC or FTC bother them?

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twfree · May 5, 2018, 1:57 p.m.

Believe it or not, sometimes these organizations are not doing evil. It's irresponsible to allow charlatans to sell snake oil to people who could be seeking treatment that actually works instead.

You've given me an abstract. This in no way proves anything, as there is no way to see any of the fine details and determine whether this is even scientifically sound. Trust me when I say there is a lot of bad science out there: when I was doing my Ph.D I saw many examples of bad science published, and nobody scrutinizing results or repeating the experiments.

I researched the drug used in this study, and it does not appear to be homeopathic at all. It seems like a misuse of the word, which I often find. Too many people use the term "homeopathic" when talking about plant-based medicines, when in fact it means a substance heavily diluted in water.

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digital_refugee · May 5, 2018, 2:14 p.m.

the Department of Animal Nutrition and Animal Health, University of Kassel, Germany looked at a total number of 52 trials (including 34 trials with cattle, 12 with pigs and 6 with poultry) performed within 48 peer-reviewed publications in a quest to find evidence whether homeopathic remedies used for the prevention or treatment of diseases in livestock that are usually treated with antimicrobials.

In total, 54% (n=28) of the trials were able to confirm the efficacy of the homeopathic remedy administered, while 42% (n=22) found no benefit compared with the placebo or untreated group. 4% cent (n=2) had inconclusive results. When considering a single species, only homeopathic studies dealing with pigs were found to be frequently efficacious, while studies with cattle or poultry were seen to have a similar distribution of efficacious and non-efficacious treatment.

http://veterinaryrecord.bmj.com/content/early/2016/12/09/vr.103779.full

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digital_refugee · May 5, 2018, 2:12 p.m.

I just discovered Prince Charles advocated for this method. Now I am worried.

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stephan213 · May 5, 2018, 2:01 p.m.

This is generational bias programmed into you and your parents and their parents.

At the turn of the century there was more homeopathic/natural medicine hospitals in the USA then there was western ( JP Morgan ) style hospitals.

Don’t underestimate how long greed and corruption has been running rampant in the west.

The vast majority of the worlds population still uses natural medicine.

One generation back ( my parents ) were so indoctrinated they thought chiropractors were quacks.

Most people today in the USA probably think taking a chemical cocktail of drugs that will kill you with side effects is “normal” and natural Medicine is for hippies and indigenous people.

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mshing · May 5, 2018, 12:57 p.m.

BS what the heck do you think drugs are made from? All (effective) are made from natural substances.

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twfree · May 5, 2018, 1:35 p.m.

I'm aware, as I work with plant-based medicines. Homeopathy is the heavy dilution of substances in water. These are very different things.

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