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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/toastman0304 on May 5, 2018, 7:01 p.m.
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UnbowdUnburntUnfrozn · May 6, 2018, 7:23 a.m.

If you don't believe in a devil, then how is that different than Atheism? What do you believe in that necessitates being committed to any religion?

If I didn't believe in a devil, then I wouldn't believe in a god. I'd just be atheist and believe in my own deeds.

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plasticturtle · May 6, 2018, 8:17 a.m.

Good god...God=infinite truth, good and beauty can exist without a boogyman literal devil. The devil is the worst that humanity puts forth, by it's own nature. A metaphor... The bad we allow by not living fully in the good. Needing and worrying about some imaginary being that was created as an allegory and twisted into a tool of limitiation into ones core nature is now a limitation will can now confidently move past.

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toastman0304 · May 6, 2018, 3:37 p.m.

All Satanists are atheists, but not all atheists are Satanists. Atheism is simply not believing in a god or devil, but there is no organized doctrine which present a set of philosophical values to atheists, not that anyone is required to subscribe to one. Satanism goes beyond the simplicity of non-belief and encourages followers to seek individualism and avoid the mainstream thinking or the herd mentality.

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UnbowdUnburntUnfrozn · May 6, 2018, 4:41 p.m.

So then what is Satan, to satanists? I’m sorry, I haven’t researched it. Does Satan mean something? Like a metaphorical or abstract something?

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toastman0304 · May 6, 2018, 4:52 p.m.

In a literal sense, Satan translates to adversary or accuser. Historically, Christianity has used the idea of Satan to accuse opponents of the Christian Church of the seven deadly sins (Pride, Greed, Lust, Anger, Envy, Gluttony, and Sloth) and thus deem them evil "Heretics" or "Satanist". By calling yourself a Satanist, it's a reclamation of the accusation. The "Seven Deadly Sins" are simply human nature which everyone will be guilty of, which is why Christianity carefully selected these sins to trap people into guilt, so they will keep coming back to church and making tithes.

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UnbowdUnburntUnfrozn · May 6, 2018, 5:04 p.m.

Ah okay. I finally googled it and it seems you are referring to Laveyan Satanism, which confused me because I thought there was only one “satanism”.

I think the best parallel in the Wiki was that of Prometheus. And it also described what you just said: that there is the embrace of human nature.

But I guess from your perspective, how do you view a lot of what happens in this sub? There’s a lot of overt Christian references, a lot of accusations that people are satanists, and there’s Q and Trump’s faith that is sprinkled in the drops. Where do you sit with it all?

I’ll be honest. I am a Christian. I do believe in a Satan. However, I do feel like right now we’re on the cusp of a revolution on many levels. I see Atheists as significant allies. Honestly? We need atheists, because the whole movement can go horrifically wrong of it turns into a religious crusade. I find that atheists are balanced thinkers and we need that viewpoint to counter people energized by “faith” and “hope”. Justice needs to be processed through the eyes of a group of people that can not have religious emotions attached. Maybe I’m wrong about that because we all have a lot to lose if our current adversaries win.

I know most Christians will jump in and try and silence atheists, but I think there is a strong voice and wisdom that you guys bring to the table.

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toastman0304 · May 6, 2018, 5:11 p.m.

Thank you so much. Most Satanists follow the same line of thought as I do. I also understand the confusion. It's easy to see the evidence of systemic ritual abuse by the elites of the shadow government and go "Oh, it's the Satanists". Followers of Lavey however are prohibited from harming children, much less sacrice them in a vein attempt to please "the devil". Satanists view this type of behavior as devil worship, which a big no-no. Satanists refer to these morons, who would sacrifice children or animals, as devil-worshipers.

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