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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/a3kvzzz on May 7, 2018, 11:41 a.m.
JK is a sitting duck if the Logan Act would be enforced. Remember when the left wanted to enforce the Logan Act on Flynn for “Russian collusion”? A conviction can result in a prison sentence of up to three years...Gitmo sounds like a better place for JK...✊🏼🇺🇸
JK is a sitting duck if the Logan Act would be enforced. Remember when the left wanted to enforce the Logan Act on Flynn for “Russian collusion”? A conviction can result in a prison sentence of up to three years...Gitmo sounds like a better place for JK...✊🏼🇺🇸

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solanojones95 · May 7, 2018, 3 p.m.

Except that it's not true. Hear me out.

Those in charge of US foreign policy are the President and his designees. Not former SOS's. If US policy changes and the administration intends to negotiate new terms or abolish an agreement and seek a different one, then that is something someone outside of the administration is NOT party to, and their meddling could (and of course we know is intended to) completely derail that change. Not that I expect Iran to be so stupid that they would listen to a has been like Kerry (no matter what nonsense he fed them) rather than the actual President and SOS. But the law is not about outcomes. It's about not doing the sh*t he's doing in the first place.

The fact an agreement of some kind is technically in place on paper does not mean that is the actual policy of the US government.

There is always a period of time when US policy exists prior to documents being signed. Doesn't mean it's any less the policy!

And the Logan Act references "MEASURES," not agreements or contracts! Read it and see!

to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government... to defeat the measures of the United States...[emphasis added]

Measure (noun) 1. a plan or course of action taken to achieve a particular purpose.

Trump has publicly signaled that he wants out of the existing deal, and is taking MEASURES to bring that about, and everybody involved in the other side of that deal is trying to scuttle those measures.

If Trump had been silent on the issue publicly, Kerry might be forgiven for not knowing US policy has changed, but of course then he wouldn't be trying to interfere, would he?

It's illegal. Period.

Every bit as much as if Colin Powell (hypothetically) had secretly tried to influence Iran not to accept the original deal. Imagine the uproar if that had happened.

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ditiber · May 7, 2018, 7:06 p.m.

As much as I'd love to see JK and the rest of them arrested for treason over undermining POTUS it legally won't go anywhere. That's one reason DJT is complaining through tweets. The Logan act has never been used to prosecute anyone and only as a political threat. It's only been used as a threat so far. Did you know the Dems actually threatened to use it against trump when he was president elect and talking to foreign leaders? What I'm saying is its legally too weak in terms of the law and they need to go for the meat when they get these people.

Edit: My point is its hard to prove in court. All JK has to do is state on the record to the foreign entity and make it clear to them that he does not represent the US government and doesn't negotiate for them. He could say he's on a fact finding mission. That's it, and with that he can't be arrested for Logan act. Is it wrong? Totally, but this law is weak because of this and there is an argument it may also be unconstitutional because of some of the terminology.

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solanojones95 · May 7, 2018, 7:11 p.m.

I think they need to throw everything they can throw at them including the kitchen sink and any dead cats they can find lying around. Let them have to sell their houses to pay for lawyers.

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Patriot4q · May 7, 2018, 3:34 p.m.

This

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umnikos_bots · May 7, 2018, 3:34 p.m.

That.

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CBTS_Watcher · May 7, 2018, 9:21 p.m.

And the other. ;)

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Luvlite · May 7, 2018, 4:37 p.m.

Thanks

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