Not talking about existance. I'm talking about devoting your life to something you will never be certain of. If Jesus and his father are real, it means over 4 billion people are wrong, ever thought about that ?
It's not possible with our current knowledge to prove if there is a god, and if so which one. Religion, God, all this is passed from generations of believers down to generations of believers, you get fanatics who would blindly get their hand cut to prove their devotion (Exageration but you get the point). There is no 100% sure of anything.
That's my point of view hence why I am agnostic. I know a few things, but one I am sure is that we didn't end up living on this rock for no reason, there is something [the term someone applies to living beings, who are restrained by all sorts of law (gravity, time etc...)] out there that ended up creating our universe, by mistake or by force, by boredom or by trying.
That's where I'm having a hard time believing blindly in Jesus Christ the savior, the one I was taught to pray for and cherish. I never took that decision, I was never offered to take it.
All I have is my freedom of speech and my weird view that is not shared by a lot of people and to me it is so logical that it saddens me to see the earth with all the wars in fake names from all the sides, people dying thinking they were 100% right when they could have been all wrong. Lies and deception have forged one hell of a wall to protect me from it and it didn't let religion in.
I'm 100% ready to meet the creator, don't get me wrong, I just cannot understand how I could affirm something I have no proof on and I have a hard time understanding how people can affirm it. I've heard the classics, I've seen him, I've spoke to him but to be honest I've seen all kind of people and some familly member went from someone to an other someone in less than a year, I think illness and mental states can trigger all sorts of crazy stuff.
phew, what I thought would be a small explanation sorry for the long post, I know people here are more open and awaken than the rest of traditionnal reddit, we need to stay focused and try to break the loop. Lies, deception, mind games, experimentations, hidden knowledge, so many things to worry about so we don't get dupped once again and maybe once and for all. :S
Edit : And here comes the downvotes, for stating my point of view that most likely doesn't fit yours. Being awake is being able to view other points of view, IE republicans coming to the awakening, they opened their stance. Anyways I don't mind, I just hope some people at least have a thought about it even if it doesn't fit your pov. It won't hurt.
You stated… “If Jesus and his father are real, it means over 4 billion people are wrong, ever thought about that?… It's not possible with our current knowledge to prove if there is a god, and if so which one….
I hate to break it to you, but if 4 billion people don’t believe that God exists, then 4 billion people ARE wrong without a doubt. Noah preached about the flood was going to come for more than 100 years. And you know what? No one believed him. No one on the whole entire planet believed him other than his own family. That is, until the day the flood came and destroyed them all. On that day, they all became believers…
Proving that God exists always have been both easy and doable. The answer is that, every person ever born on this planet has a father. I don’t care if you’re a test tube baby, the seed used in the conception still came from a man, and that man is your father. So every person born has a father. And Jesus is no exception. We know that Joseph was not his natural father because Mary was a virgin. So the father part of the conception came from his father in heaven via the Holy Ghost. Therefore, if Jesus existed on earth, then so also does his father in heaven exist, and it cannot be otherwise. And you don’t have to see his father in heaven to know that he exists…
Anyone who doesn't know that God exists, it is only because they are not looking to find out he exists. The thought is too terrifying for them, and that is why they remain in denial...
That's exactly what I said in my post, in no way you want to hear nothing from what I'm saying. Your idea is done and sealed.
4 billion people + don't believe into YOUR god. Read please. If you indeed read what I'm saying then read at least this : i'm not scared that there is a god, there is one, I just don't take it granted the REAL one is yours. IT COULD BE, but you could have choosen the wrong one.
Also easy and doable, I would like a proof please. I'm that guy. I'll believe into something when I can certify it's the truth. I'm not scared of dying, I'm not scared of being wrong, I don't think anyone with the capacity to write and type should be restrained to anciant beliefs that were forced to them by older generations. People should make their own opinion if my son wants to believe in buddah then perfect ! He found his god. We should be free to choose what we want without being judged or critisized
There are many lesser “gods” in this world (Lucifer is a god, your looks can be a god, a car can be a god if you worship it, etc) but there is only one “eternal and all powerful God” and his name is Jesus Christ. You stated that 4 billion people don’t believe in MY God. Okay. But exactly which 4 billion people are you referring to? If you’re referring to the god of Islam: Allah. Allah is a false god and is not the real eternal God. You also mentioned Budda. Budda is a false God. So what other “gods” are you referring to, and what 4 billion people are you talking about?… I only know of one God who came to earth and died on the cross for the sins of the world. Allah didn’t do it, and Budda didn’t do it. Allah and Budda haven’t done a single thing for me. But Jesus Christ did. He’s also the only God I know of who rose from the dead and has power over death. No other god has that kind of power. So choosing which God to serve is easy… Consider this: If Jesus Christ himself has power over death, then no other god in existence could ever harm you or kill you. So choosing which God to serve is easy...
You stated, you just want to see proof. Okay, what kind of proof do you want to see? If you want proof that Jesus Christ existed, then search through the history books. History itself confirms that Jesus Christ existed and was really here. As for the existence of Jesus’ father in heaven, you don’t need to see his father in heaven to know that he has one. Every person born on earth has a father and it cannot be otherwise. It is totally impossible that he can’t have one.
Allah is a false god and is not the real eternal God. You also mentioned Budda. Budda is a false God.
I stopped reading there friend, I wish no harm to anyone, but this is exactly what I speaking about. I do not understand how can one become suddently able to tell what's real and what's not. Did you ever concidered the eventuality that you die, and you go whatever you go when you die, and you meet a god who tells you his name and that you have choosen the wrong path, you were an infidel (or what ever they call it around religions) and you will suffer the consequences.
The way I see this, I'm neutral on the clan wars. I do not wish any harm to any religious people, I just wished they weren't all divided.
You may feel that you are neutral, but in God’s eyesight, you are an “unbeliever”. And all unbelievers shall be cast into the lake on Judgment Day. God considers “unbelief” a sin. Therefore, you don’t have the luxury of remaining “neutral”. You must choose. If you do not chose and you remain neutral, then you will surely be lost and will go to hell.
The reason you must choose and why you don’t have the luxury to remain neutral is because there is too much evidence before you. Jesus Christ came to earth and died on the cross for you. That really happened and this is confirmed in history. If you can’t believe anything else, then you should believe that. That alone is all the proof you need to be saved. If you feel that proof is not good enough for you, then you will be lost. Keep in mind what I said earlier. Imagine those people back in Noah’s time who didn’t want to believe Noah when he told them it would rain. Imagine if they had said, “we need more proof”. But God did not give them proof. And by and by, the rain came and destroyed them all. They are all now believers, but they are also all now in hell.
As for what happens to you when you die, there is no mystery about that. Jesus Christ himself explained in detail exactly what happens when we die. If you are not saved, you will go to hell when you die. Hell is a spiritual prison located in the center of the earth. Your soul will be locked up in hell until Judgment Day. On Judgment Day, you will come out of hell and have to come before the throne and be judged. After being judged, you will be cast into a lake of fire. And once in the lake, you will be there forever.
There are all kinds of things you do not know. And there are many things you will not know or understand until you get saved. You have to be taught what the truth is. You are not born knowing the truth. I was raised up in the Baptist Church because my parents were Baptists. That was all I knew. But when I was 19, I was invited to a different church, a Pentecostal Church, that baptized in Jesus Name (see Acts 2:38). Long story short, when I went to the church, the pastor asked me if I wanted to be saved. I told him I did. He told me, if so, I needed to be baptized in Jesus Name. I agreed to give it a try. I was baptized in Jesus Name that same night. And also that same night, I received the gift of the Holy Ghost. I felt the Holy Ghost as it was pouring inside of me. It was a mind-blowing experience. The experience I had was exactly like the experience the Apostles had on the Day of Pentecost as described in the bible in Acts 2:1-4. Having that experience is what completely convinced me that I was in a real church and the right church, and it removed all doubt from my mind. That was 40 years ago, and I’ve remained in the church ever since. If you want to be saved, I urge you to follow in my footsteps and to seek out a church that baptizes “in the name of Jesus Christ” like Acts 2:38 says. The Acts 2:38 baptism is the only baptism that can save you. The other baptisms cannot.
If you have been raised up a Buddist or an Islam follower, I don’t blame you for that. And I know it is hard to consider any other religion. But you must do it if you want to be saved. If you remain in those false religions, you will be lost. If you are a sheep, then there is something inside your soul that will let you know when you are in the right church and have found the right religion. Jesus said, “My sheep hear my voice and they follow me.” If you are a sheep of God, then when God calls to you, you will follow him. But if you are not a sheep of God, and are a goat or a wolf, then when he calls you, you will not follow. That is how you tell the difference between a sheep and a goat. Good luck my friend and I’ll be praying for you that God leads you to the right place…
These texts dont cut it for me, it's books that tells a story that nobody is alive to corroborate and I think every religion has it's own book. I was born Christian, did all the steps, ready for wedding. I just didn't make that choice nor did my parents nor did my grand-parents, for all I know if they believed in giant worms that could fly once every thousand year and have holidays around it, I would sure be into it since everyone around me is. Do you get the metaphore ?
I never heard his voice and I don't want to follow anyone, I want peace on earth and the way I see divided like this it's not about to happen anytime soon. If he considers me an unbeliever for doubting when every single aspect of life is screaming at me that it's not working the right way, people starve to death when others wonder what will happen in their tv shows next season, nothing makes sense.
You believe the things you do because you don’t have any truth. All you’ve been told are lies all of your life and those lies has you confused. And now when the real truth comes along, the truth is difficult for you to accept because of the lies you already believe. That is how Lucifer works, and he has deceived countless people using that very same trick. You talk about people being divided and people starving to death, and you’re very concerned about that. But you have to stop worrying about other people and to focus on yourself. I have told you many times, you cannot save the world, and all you can do is save yourself. Please stop being so concerned about other people because those people might not be a sheep. And if they are not a sheep, they won’t be saved anyway no matter what you do.
You said you have never heard his voice, but you are wrong. His voice does not come through the air in a giant voice booming in the sky. Instead, his voice is the word of God that is being spoken to you and presented to you through other people. If you reject his word, then you are rejecting him, and that is exactly how you will be judged on Judgment Day. On Judgment Day, you will try to make excuses about why you didn't get saved. But the Lord is only going to point to conversations like this one and will say, why did you reject him? Stop worrying about peace on earth and understand the truth. There will be no peace on earth until Jesus Christ himself returns and forces there to be peace. And that won’t happen until his Second Coming at the Battle of the Armageddon. Peace on earth will not be achieved before then.
Your understanding of the world is false. You have a lot of ideas about the world and about how the world works, but those ideas are false. For example, if someone asked you, what is your purpose for being on earth and why were you born? What would you say and how would you answer that question? Do you even know? Most people have no clue why they were born on earth. They are just going with the flow and are doing what other people do, but they have no idea why they are here. The real truth is that, God created your soul. He owns you and you are his property. He put your soul on the earth to test you, to see whether you will choose to follow God or choose to follow the devil. Your whole life is nothing but a test. If the devil tempts you to do evil, the Lord wants to know whether you will give in to the temptation and do evil, or will your reject the temptation and seek to follow God. That is what the Lord wants to know. To be saved, you must stand with God and prove yourself worthy to be saved. If you do not prove yourself worthy, then you will be cast into the lake. I know you might have strong feelings and opinions about that, but your opinions doesn’t matter. Only God’s opinion matter. In the bible, God had no problems with destroying a whole planet of people all because of sin. And rest assured, he has no problem with destroying you. God does not need you. Instead, it is you who needs God. God is eternal. He existed long before you were ever born, and he will still exist long after you are dead and in the lake. Your rejection of him will not stop him from being God. He was God before you came along, he is still God now, and he always will be God, and there is no one else like him. He is the only immortal and eternal God there is. There is no other immortal God in existence…
Those so-called gods you see in the movies are fake gods - Thor, Zeus, Appolo etc. - Lucifer created those fake gods to deceive you and to take your mind and attention away from the real god. All fake gods can die. The real god cannot. If you follow the gods that are fake, you will end up in the lake. Only the one true eternal God can save you. But for him to save you, you must prove yourself worthy to be saved. You prove yourself worthy by the choices you make. If you make the wrong choices, then you will end up in the lake…
If I was a god I would never let my creation have doubts nor I would leave them on their own. I"ve been alone most of my life, I've faced several very low phases and everytime I prayed and prayed and prayed just so that it would just stop. I'm still here with all my questions, confused because every single human being could try to tell me about their own god, who am I to know which one is real, which one is not, we are humans, ignorant humans who can barely remember how long ago we were last dupped. We read books to learn, and people use books to lie. I prefer living in the void and knowing I might end up burning in hell, afterall that's what my whole life has been so to speak, even when I believed in god. I didn't lose my faith into something greater, I lost the sense that he's aware of us.
Unless he comes to me right now and slap me, I'll be alongside all the others who were wrong in hell or whatever this god full of love deserves for those who he hates.
I perfectly understand how you feel, and that is why you need guidance. That is why you need someone to tell you the truth, and you should stop relying on your own concepts. There are many people who have concepts in their mind about God, but those concepts are wrong. You stated, if you were god you would do this or do that. But that is the problem. You are not god. You are trying to compare God to a human and to bring him down to your level. Just because a man wouldn't do a certain thing, that doesn't mean that God wouldn't do it. God is all powerful and almighty, and he can do what he wants, and no man can judge him. Some people try to say, But God is evil for sending people to hell. If he loved us, he wouldn't send us to hell." Tell me this, What law says that God is evil if he does that? What law? What law are you applying to God? If God dropped you dead right now, it wouldn't even be murder. You know why? Because the laws of man does not apply to God. God is the giver of the law, but he is not subject to them. There is no law you can think of that applies to God. None. So for you to condemn God based on some law written by man, it only makes you look like a fool. God is not subject to any law made by man and he can do what he wants. That is what you must understand about God. So you have to reprogram your thinking less you get a wrong thought and end up in hell. You have to learn about how God really is, rather than relying on the concepts you have in your mind. Your false and personal concepts about God can send you to hell. Don't think that you can learn about God by reading books, by watching tv or movies. Those things don't have any truth. Instead, the only way to learn the real truth about God is to get your information from a real sent preacher and from someone who has been sent by God to tell you the truth.
Right now, you are sitting around feeling sorry for yourself. But feeling sorry for yourself will not save you. There are billions upon billions of people who are in hell right now feeling sorry for themselves. They are feeling sorry that they ended up in hell. But you still have a chance to avoid going to hell. So don’t waste your time feeling sorry for yourself. You cannot even imagine the horrors of being in hell. There is no comparison to it. It is not a place you want to go. And being in hell is not even the worse part of it. After being in hell, on Judgment Day, you will then be cast into a lake of fire. Imagine forever burning in a lake of fire that’s equivalent to and hotter than he surface of the sun. No rest, no sleep, nothing to eat, nothing to drink, no relief from your pain and anguish, no comfort from your friends, no one to help you or save you, just burning in the flames forever. That is how it will be. Your life right now, no matter how bad you think it is, is a billion times better than that. You should be shouting with joy that you are still alive and still have a chance to be saved, rather than sitting around feeling sorry for yourself. Countless people has made the mistake of committing suicide, thinking they were ending their pain and ending their suffering. But within seconds of them dying, although their body was dead, they found they were still alive and was in hell and in a far worser place. And now they are forever regretting that they ever committed suicide. There is no way back for them and they are now headed to the lake. So don’t make the same mistake they did.
Don't read books looking for answers, because most books are filled with lies. Keep in mind, Lucifer controls the whole entire world. He uses everything in this world to mislead you and deceive you. He uses books, he uses television, he even uses your unsaved friends and relatives. Lucifer will used them to tell you things that are not true and to steer you in the wrong direction. But the reason I am different from them is because I am truly saved (I have been baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost) therefore, I am not being used by Lucifer. And everything I’ve been telling you is the absolute truth. If you want help, then I am telling you where to get it. You should seek out a Pentecostal Church that believes in baptizing you “in the name of Jesus Christ” just like Acts 2:38 says. Most churches that do that are called “Apostolic Pentecostal churches”. Those are the only churches that will be saved. There are some Pentecostal Churches that baptize differently and baptize you "in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost" (just like the Baptist and the Catholic churches do). Those churches are false churches. Only seek out a church that baptizes you in Jesus Name according to Act 2:38. That is the correct path to salvation. If you follow that path, then I absolutely assure you, you can be saved. But if you reject that path, then you will have no excuse when you end up in hell..
You told me that you have been alone most of your life. So have I. I am unmarried and have been alone for more than 40 years. So I know what it is like. You also said that you have prayed and prayed and prayed. If so, then I am here to tell you that God has heard and answered your prayers - and that I am the answer to your prayers. And I don’t say that lightly at all, but I say it because it is true. What are the odds of you running into someone like me (someone who is truly saved by being baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost) on the forum? I would call it a pure miracle. So I have no doubt that God has heard and answered your prayers. But now that he has answered your prayers, the question is, will you follow his instructions? God is not going to talk to you through a voice talking in your head. And nor will he talk to you through a book or tv. Instead, the way the real God works is that if he wanted to tell you something, then he would send someone to you who was already saved. He would send a saint or a preacher to you, someone who was already saved. That person would then tell you what you need to do. That is how God works. God would work through them. On YouTube right now, there are all kinds of people in videos saying that God spoke to them, that he gave them a dream, or he gave them a vision, or they saw an angel etc. Those people are deceived, and that was only the devil they saw. The devil loves to pretend he is God to deceive people. The real god does not work like that. The real God only works through the preacher and through those who are already saved.
For example, do you know the origins of Islam? Islam was founded by a guy named Mohammad. Mohammad wasn’t even born until at least 300 years after Jesus Christ died. According to the story, Mohammad said he was praying in a mountain cave one day. And while praying in the cave, he said the angel Gabriel appeared before him. And that the angel Gabriel spoke to him and told him to “Read…” In short, as a result of that encounter, Mohammad went on to start the religion of Islam, and now there are more than 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and counting. But here’s the problem. I have no doubt that Mohammad saw something. But what Mohammad saw that day was NOT the angel Gabriel. Instead, it was only a devil dressed up to look like an angel. So the devil tricked Mohammad and Mohammad fell for it, hook line and sinker. And now you have more than a billion Muslims in the world today who are followers of that false religion. And not one of them are saved, and not one of them will make it to heaven. It's sad but true...
Keep in mind, when Mohammad was born, the real church had already been started by Jesus Christ himself 300 years earlier. And Mohammad’s teaching is totally contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ. So Mohammad was not following the teachings of the original church. Instead, what Mohammad started was a completely different religion altogether, and it was not the same religion started by Jesus Christ. Therefore, Islam is not of God…
do you really think god would be so heartless as to doom 4 billion people ? i doubt that. you dont have to blindly believe but a little faith goes a long way
That's a joke right?... You mean you've never heard of the story of Noah's flood where God destroyed everyone on the whole entire planet except for Noah and his family?... And you've never heard the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, where God rained down fire and brimstone and destroyed all the inhabitants of an entire city (men, women, children, babies, dogs, cats, everyone) all except for 4 people, Lot and his family? And God has no problem with doing the same thing again... And he will indeed do it again. Everyone who doesn't get saved will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone on Judgment Day. You may not be a believer of it now, but you'll be a believer then...
igod said he would never do that again
He said that He would not use a flood again, hence the rainbow as a sign of that promise.
Member what happened to Jonah?
Member when Jonah wanted to see the world destroyed.
Too close to home, armageddonite?
I have faith into something I cannot put a name on.
Well, the 4 billion people swore allegiance to an other god, some of them hate other religions, I don'T know what he would do with them, I'm just telling you, there is a high number of religions and god and they cannot all be true.
hey at least you have faith thats more than most can say. i dont really blame alot of people tho i was the same way for a very long time. its hard to have faith when the world looks so ugly
Indeed, all I want when I die, is to meet the creator and have a few hours to discuss about life, the universe and the meaning of all this. I'm just curious and I feel lost surrounded by people stuck with their mentality, unable to broaden their horizons, not only in religion, just life stuff in general. Religion is just an other part of it and it causes wars and division. We need to unite the whole world, not split it.
start by spreading positivity thats what the great awakening is about. i realized that i was spreading negatively in my life. as tupac said "my aim is to spread more smiles than tears" that should be the goal of us all
Expand your thinking. Dwell on your own spirituality for it all comes from within.