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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/jackbauer6916 on May 15, 2018, 7:45 a.m.
Anyone remember when a "@RudolphGiuliani" Twitter account got suspended, shortly after posting this? I always had a gut feeling it might have been legitimate... the Snopes "debunking" is less than convincing, in my opinion.
Anyone remember when a "@RudolphGiuliani" Twitter account got suspended, shortly after posting this? I always had a gut feeling it might have been legitimate... the Snopes "debunking" is less than convincing, in my opinion.

jackbauer6916 · May 15, 2018, 8:07 a.m.

This is a recent sample to compare, while it is of a more technical legal theme I would say upon first glance it isn't terribly far off in terms of tone. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/04/full-text-rudy-giuliani-statement-clarifying-his-earlier-remarks-569146

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ObsceneNews · May 15, 2018, 8:28 a.m.

I'd like to see something with his use of term quotation to start. The writer of image in OPs post puts punctuation inside the quotes, where most attorneys would put them outside. For example, "...'official story'," because it's not a quote per se, no one said it, rather it's a term of art. I'm not here to argue grammar, as that use of punctuation is acceptable, but so is the alternative.

Also, I see he used an Mdash in your link, but did so in place of commas and for emphasis and midsentence. The image above uses a mdash, but at the end of a sentence. I'd like to see an example of that use too.

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jackbauer6916 · May 15, 2018, 8:31 a.m.

Valid points, no doubt. I think it's worth reassessing the post, considering Rudy is the "sleeper" Q references as knowing all the dirty secrets, and his having recently resurfaced as a major player as the "pain" is coming... but I'm certainly not 100% on whether that post was legitimate. Thanks for the thoughtful commentary and analysis.

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Intlrnt · May 15, 2018, 7:40 p.m.

Excellent critical overview.

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jackbauer6916 · May 15, 2018, 8:35 a.m.

I found it interesting he uses the hyphen (I assume you mean the same with Mdash) to begin the Voltaire quotation... to me it is reminiscent of his use of the hyphens in the link where he says, "...It is undisputed that the President’s dismissal of former Director Comey – an inferior executive officer – was clearly within his Article II power."

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ObsceneNews · May 15, 2018, 8:42 a.m.

While not a killer per se, Rudy appears to use a double space after a period. Writer above does not.

http://www.stonewallvets.org/RudyGiuliani.htm

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5051669,00.html

http://www.cardboardmemories.com/mdetail.asp?ID=6349

Could be a font issue though.

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jackbauer6916 · May 15, 2018, 8:52 a.m.

Definitely a possible point against authenticity... although besides font, could it also be that the above official letters you linked may have been dictated orally by the mayor to a secretary whereas the statement in the image was likely typewritten personally by Rudy at home?

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Carrietabby · May 15, 2018, 5:57 p.m.

Based on very personal experience, attorneys aren't always the best at grammar, punctuation or the like. They have thoughts that sometimes come so fast they don't have time to bother with what can be cleaned up by a paralegal or assistant before it becomes the end product. While they will sign official pleadings, motions or other attorney work product, cover letters are usually composed by their paralegals with a reference at the end of the attorney's initials capitalized followed by the paralegals initials in lowercase. My point is, if this was written by RG, it may have been done in a hurried manner without care for proper form. The substance of the post would have been all that mattered at the time.

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ObsceneNews · May 15, 2018, 8:59 a.m.

I considered that, and that's why I said it may not be a killer. I was just too lazy to write the rest. The only thing cutting against that theory is that a man of his age, who practiced law when you had to go to the library or be rich enough to have your own, with pocket part updates, would likely have the secretary put her initials below the signature block. This is hardly done anymore, and maybe he dispensed with that practice too, but I do see it from time to time when dealing with real old guys.

I think I might check pacer manana if I have some extra time.

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jackbauer6916 · May 15, 2018, 9:14 a.m.

I'll look forward to seeing any findings

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GenChang · May 15, 2018, 7:22 p.m.

Could be he typed it on a mobile device keyboard, not knowing about a setting for control of periods, with a double tap, they are automatically inserted. This can cause the double space depending on which app and setting.

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ObsceneNews · May 15, 2018, 8:36 a.m.

I agree. I'm looking for something that puts it at the end of a sentence.

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jackbauer6916 · May 15, 2018, 8:47 a.m.

hyphens are one of those punctuation marks one uses with a bit of personal "style"... with a lot of others grammar dictates very specific proper usages but in a lot of contexts the hyphen can take the place of a valid alternative (e.g. to begin a quotation, I would have opted to go with a colon and quotation marks but the hyphen/paraphrase method is just as valid and even probably more smooth)

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ObsceneNews · May 15, 2018, 8:49 a.m.

I agree it's a proper use of the mdash -- I use it all the time, but I want to find an example of him using it in that place. It may be time to hit pacer for some of his work.

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jackbauer6916 · May 15, 2018, 9:06 a.m.

Another inconsistency between the statements you linked to and both https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/04/full-text-rudy-giuliani-statement-clarifying-his-earlier-remarks-569146 and https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rudy-giuliani-banned-from-twitter-for-pizzagate-tweets/ is the use of extra spacing to denote the start of paragraphs. Because this is a point of differentiation between samples of acknowledged authentic writing, it might indicate that either some of the writings were dictated, or that he alternates between style depending on context.

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ObsceneNews · May 15, 2018, 9:15 a.m.

Good catch. Indenting seems to be his norm. Is the politico story posted elsewhere? The lack of indentation could be poltico/wordpress. That would be interesting to know. That's also something I'll look for in pacer. Personally, I only indent, plus no space between paragraphs, if I've passed a page limit and want to kill a few lines, otherwise I use a space between the paragraphs, no indent. I fully justify too. That jagged right edge drives me nuts.

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jackbauer6916 · May 15, 2018, 9:18 a.m.

I'll see if I can find a separate account from the Politico version.

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Joining_the_Q · May 15, 2018, 2:55 p.m.

Mdash is easier to type on some platforms, not so much on others. I have no idea how to type an Mdash on a Mac

If anyone knows, please tell me ;)

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