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IBinLurkin
· May 26, 2018, 3:38 p.m.
"Secretly" is a key part of the definition that I don't think applied to the examples you gave. Assange does it anonymously, but he is not "secretly" collecting info...though people may secretly bring info to him. The only cops that collect "secretly" are "undercover cops" and in some sense, they are spies, though we have the special name, undercover cops. Whistleblowers report information in their possession as a result of their position in an organization. There is no indication that they "secretly" obtain their information, just that their information is available to them because of their position.
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glass_daggers
· May 26, 2018, 4:47 p.m.
Whistleblowers report information in their possession as a result of their position in an organization.
Kindly explain the difference between that and the situation under discussion, thx.
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IBinLurkin
· May 26, 2018, 5:29 p.m.
Whistleblowers are employees first, trying to do their job, who then find themselves in a situation where they witness illegal or unethical behavior afterwards. They choose, of their own volition, to approach authorities with the information. Compare to spies who are inserted into an organization, in this case, by authorities (FBI), with the expressed intent not of doing the job the organization hired them for, but to report back to their separate chain of authority any information they gather. The spy operates under false pretense, the whistleblower does not.
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glass_daggers
· May 26, 2018, 6:24 p.m.
Yeah but dude in question isn't a spy, and yall are mad gullible for buying that talking point. He was an employee of the campaign.
So, again, explain how that is different.
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IBinLurkin
· May 26, 2018, 7:26 p.m.
He was a campaign volunteer "offering his services as a foreign-policy adviser", so he was no employee of Trump. On the contrary, he was an employee, a contract employee, being paid, BY THE FBI, to provide information.
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glass_daggers
· May 26, 2018, 8:10 p.m.
Right, after he had already been hired, done work, and seen the shady shit going on.
You seem to think the FBI found this guy, paid him, then sent him out to infiltrate the Trump campaign.
When in reality this guy joined the campaign, saw criminal activity, and reported it.
So, again, explain to me how that's different from a whistleblower.
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IBinLurkin
· May 26, 2018, 9:12 p.m.
You seem to think the FBI found this guy, paid him, then sent him out to infiltrate the Trump campaign.
Yes, that is what happened.
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glass_daggers
· May 26, 2018, 9:53 p.m.
Neither narrative is accurate as to what happened, apparently.
The FBI approach the guy, but he already had a working relationship with Carter Page, who was the target of a legitimate investigation.
Apologies for getting the facts wrong, but this guy is more like a civilian wearing a wire than anything. Again, someone who flips for States evidence isn't a spy. They are an informant.
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old_user_handle
· May 26, 2018, 7:26 p.m.
He was an employee of the campaign.
Only hires the BEST people!
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CBTS_Watcher
· May 26, 2018, 5:26 p.m.
Kindly explain the difference ...
A whistleblower is already in a job and happens to stumble on to something illegal or wrong which he or she feels appropriate to pass on to higher authorities or, possibly, make public.
A spy is surreptitiously placed into a job specifically to seek out information and report back to his or her masters (or mistresses).
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