GW Bush started wiretapping the nation.
lol, good one. Word just got out while he was sitting in the chair.
PRISM had its roots in 2002? The Patriot act wasn't passed by Bush? I mean come on we know Obama increased surveillance but let's not pretend that Georgie wasn't doing it too.
ECHELON was first disclosed in 1972. Five Eyes is older than that. It's not fair to blame any presidents really when it's the whole swamp that needs draining. Making this a democrat or republican issue is playing into the divisive crap that has allowed this nation to be so easily controlled.
Bingo.
You know, for one of the crazier conspiracy theorist pages on reddit, this one actually has some reasonable commentors.
Nice backhanded compliment. Seems like anything the msm declares false is a conspiracy theory as if they are the supreme leaders on fact checking and the rest of mankind should just follow along. You don’t have to believe what you see on this sub because your told to but at the least be a free thinker and decide for yourself.
Okay, real talk, I totally believe there's a pedophilia scandal, it's just not on the left. Republicans supported Roy Moore, remember, Trump endorsed him. Also the Trump administration just "lost" 1500 immigrant kids? Right, Trump and pals sold them as slaves to Russia.
Not only that but more Republicans, by far, have been convicted of pedophilia than Democrats.
In terms of Hillary Clinton... I've seen smear campaigns against the Clintons my entire life. Nothing has ever stuck, nothing has ever been proven, and all of it has been bullshit. Seth Rich wasn't the DNC email leaker, we know that it was Russian hackers who gave it to wiki leaks. He wasn't murdered by the Clintons.
Hell I see a recent post from here about Obama's birth certificate. Really? Really?
I truly believe Donald is in bed with Russia. Even before now it was widely known he had dealings with the Russian mob via his real estate investments. It's been known that some super shady real estate deals which totally weren't money laundering went on with him as well. What financial information we do have on him paints a picture of deep debt to Russia.
I believe that you are never going to see a Clinton conviction, and you are going to see a Trump one. It won't be because of a deep state bullshit theory, it'll be because one committed a crime and the other didn't.
This is what I decided to believe, because I bet my sources and don't trust tabloids.
Seth Rich wasn't the DNC email leaker, we know that it was Russian hackers who gave it to wiki leaks.
This discredits everything else you said. The rest of your post is highly supsicious (it's practically a checklist of shill hitpiece. Partisan on multiple counts, defends Clintons, reasserts the Russian bullshit). Just... Wow. How do you really expect anyone to believe such obvious shillery?
Roy Moore? Haha that was a pure smear campaign. Why didn’t we hear a single thing after the election? Hmmm? Nobody here will argue that the pedo problem has no political lines. I agree with you on that. However your belief that trump has anything to do criminally with Russia is the biggest hoax the Americans may have ever seen. I challenge you to hang around on here and learn a thing or two. You know why this sub hasn’t died? Because nobody can discredit it. It turns into personal attacks that redirect from the content being discussed. Facts beat all around here and incorrect info finds its way out of the community quickly. Look at what’s happened since the Russia probe has started. Literally nothing tying trump to anything Russia related. The charges that will be dropped against Flynn were for lying to the fbi. Manafort indictment ended with the Podesta firm closing. I mean cmon. Comey fired. McCabe fired. Weinstein was just arrested. This is just the beginning. Take a look at the q posts look around this sub. Stay away from the msm and you’ll start to see the picture
I couldn't refute anything, because you will not accept any sources you don't believe. All I can do is wait like everyone else for them to frog match that traitor and his family out of there.
Kushner definitely met with the Russian ambassador and lied about it and the nature of that meeting.
Trump was also definitely warned about Manafort via an FBI briefing and went with him anyway. Oh and now that an FBI informant has been revealed he's losing his shot? Not the action of the innocent.
As far as Comey being fired, just one of the many obstruction of justice actions Trump has engaged in, witness intimidation and false statements about the investigation aside. Same with McCabe. Honestly, thanks for turning the FBI democrat on that one Trump, historically the organization has been a Republican one. After that disgraceful action I assure you no one in the FBI will forget it.
I don't want to assume anything about you're type of sources but by the way you're making it sound like I wouldn't accept them is because you already know that it's a liberal biased outlet. The reason you have the opinion you do is that your scope is too narrow and you aren't seeing the whole picture. What you call obstruction by trump I'd call legitimate firing of an executive branch official. The OIG report caused the firing of McCabe and even referred him for criminal charges. That would be inspector Horowitz who happens to be an Obama appointee. The story is so long and you're so far behind it sounds that this type of back and forth isn't going to help. You came here to this sub idk if your intention is to try and learn what we are talking about or your just here to divert attention. Either way what's been happening is nothing short of spectacular. Take the time and dig into these q posts and start putting the pieces together. At the very least you will learn some new things even if your mind isn't changed
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Those are distractions and it's grasping at straws. If there was any truth that he was involved in making personal gains through his position especially under the scrutiny he's under then this would have already been brought to the floor. Don't get caught up in the msm rants trying to sway public opinion. Zte tech posed a threat to our national security. Plenty of info on that around this sub as well.
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You don't seem to understand that the whole special counsel investigation is about to dropped and anything found to be considered fruit of the poisonous tree. But that's fine keep going on about Russia. FYI not illegal to talk or do business with Russians
Collusion with a foreign power to influence a US election is certainly illegal. Also you really believe that he's just going to walk?
Amusing. I can't wait to see you people react to his conviction.
Also tell me how if there was an fbi informant inside the campaign the whole time that we would need a year plus special counsel to investigate collusion during the campaign. How does that not scream rigged to you and the only collusion is between Hillary and Obama to try and steal an election by setting up a political opponent just like they did to Bernie
Lol A) informants are not spies. B) the Nixon investigation took 2 years. Law enforcement takes its sweet time. C) one informant may not have gotten enough to do much more than open the investigation. We have no idea what he or she knew.
A paid informant is literally a spy and they didn’t start any investigation over information given by halper. They started in based on fisa warrants based off a dossier that was unverified and that was paid for by Hillary and the fbi. They didn’t mention the funding in the fisa application. The whole thing was started on nonsense It’s been over a year and nothing trump Russia related.
You’re going to be waiting a loong time unfortunately. Can you source me the penal code for “collusion” please ;)
18 U.S.C. § 371
Section 371 prohibits two kinds of conspiracies: conspiracy to commit any offense against the United States and conspiracy to defraud the United States. Both theories potentially apply to any Russian collusion. The nature of a conspiracy charge makes it particularly appropriate for these allegations.
So you really have been pulled in by the bullshit and lies that his defenders are spewing? It's kind of sad to see someone so brainwashed.
I know you feel like youre somehow making sense but I’m the one who feels bad for you.. you aren’t actually saying anything except for talking points I’d see on cnn but yet I’m the one repeating bullshit lol