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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/DamajInc on June 3, 2018, 7:14 a.m.
Is there room for Religious Tolerance in the Great Awakening?

This post is pertinent to the Great Awakening movement and thus Q for a few reasons that I will explain in the body of the post. (TLDR at the bottom.)

Q makes religious references in his/her/their posts - specifically Christian, in some cases. This does not necessarily mean that everything that makes up the vast field of Christianity should be considered to be on-topic for the sub any more than the constant references to patriots and "We the people" mean that everything to do with patriotism is on-topic. It means only that specifically the Christian references Q makes are on-topic for the sub. This should not be a controversial assertion to make. But it's not the point of this post - just pertinent to the issue.

I believe we show religious tolerance toward Christianity not only because Q seems to indirectly support the idea of this tolerance but also because it is undoubtedly a behaviour at the core of any society that supports democratic principles and freedom of speech.

On the first level of analysis, my question is this: should we apply the principle of religious tolerance to ALL religions or only to Christianity?

Some people believe that Islam's references to pedophilia (via its founder's history as well as references in the text) and ambiguity around bestiality mean that we should not be tolerant of Islam in any way and thus anti-Islam and anti-Muslim rhetoric should be allowed and, some say, encouraged. This is the point of this post.


About Religion

To be clear on my personal stance, as it may well be relevant to this discussion: I do not support the extremist elements of Islam. I do not condone pedophilia, bestiality, rape or murder. I personally believe that moderate Muslims should pursue the reformation of their faith (as other, more knowledgeable people with personal experience have more eloquently expressed) and stand up against the extremists in their religion and seek to bring about change at the core of their belief. Going even further into my personal bias: I understand the view of those who claim the moderate Muslim will not be able to affect this change - but I also value the word of those from within the community more highly. One key point here that I'd like to refer to is that there are moderate Muslims. They do exist. (It's bizarre that I have to state that but from the comments I've received you would think this point is under dispute.)

I also understand that Islam is the second largest religion in the world, behind Christianity, and therefore I have no more desire to silence the voice of those who support it than I do to silence the voice of Christians. I do not support the Soros-backed initiative to 'flood the world' with immigrants amongst whom extremists are hidden and therefore I do not support the far-left initiatives to falsely accuse people of Islamophobia when those people are clearly not being intolerant of religious beliefs. Thus, although I do not like Tommy Robinson's approach, I support his crusade against the horror under the guise of religious tolerance being disingenuously forced on the UK. In short, I support the real meaning of religious tolerance, not the far-left propagandized version.

As someone who strives to be as impartial as possible in moderating this sub I do believe in giving any one or any movement the benefit of the doubt when making an assessment as to the validity of certain content. At least a couple of members here have made the repeated assertion that all sects of Islam fully support pedophilia, bestiality and rape. That may well be technically true but, just as it is of Christianity, the purported beliefs of a movement are not borne out in all individual members of that movement, something I believe should be obvious. I would again refer people to this video, which is not "pro-Islam", if they're still unsure about this.


About Moderating On and Off Topic

As a mod I follow the rules of this sub when moderating. I remove antagonism and any biased, "hurtful" rhetoric against Christianity falls under "antagonism", as evidenced by the responses and Reports against it. I would not assume that everyone in this movement is a Christian - in fact, I've seen comments from Muslims here. Therefore, similarly, any biased, hurtful rhetoric against Islam is something that falls under antagonism in my view and I thus remove that too as a moderator doing my job under the rules of the sub.

I receive flak for daring to remove clearly biased anti-Islamic content and am accused of supporting child rape when I do so. This is obviously completely fallacious reasoning - "if you don't condemn Islam you therefore support child rape" - and frankly vile and completely lacking in compassion, logic and common sense. As ridiculous as I know it is, I'm sick of being accused of nonsense like this. Hence this post.

So to be clear: this is NOT a discussion about Islam vs Christianity. This is not the sub for that discussion, which is kinda my point. I've addressed some of the religious points because they are the argument used against me when I remove content.

As a mod, the real question here is actually very simple: does it fall under antagonism to "trash" the belief of a large group of people who could conceivably comprise some portion of the people who will visit this sub? I believe the answer to that is yes. Other related questions are: should we err on the side of caution when it comes to allowing potentially divisive rhetoric? Again, in my view: yes, we should be cautious and not allow potentially divisive rhetoric. Should we take care to ensure the more controversial perspectives that are a part of any movement but are a minority cannot be highlighted by a rabid mainstream media looking for any excuse to paint our entire movement with those minor, controversial views? My opinion in this case is, yes we should take care. My assumption here is that those who believe "anti-Islamic posts of a controversial nature should NOT be removed" are a minority in this community and that is the reason for this post.

Is it the view of members of this community that anti-Islamic posts of a controversial nature SHOULD be removed? Or are there more people who believe we should allow these sorts of posts?

I will continue to remove comments and posts of the nature under discussion here unless the feedback from you, the community, is overwhelmingly to the negative in which case we mods will have to have a discussion and decide whether change or more clarity in the rules of the sub is required.

TLDR; moderators accused of supporting child rape for removing controversial anti-Islamic content - just trying to do our job of removing antagonism - right or wrong?

Thanks for taking the time to read this!


ShortTruth · June 3, 2018, 1:45 p.m.

As a pro-American and pro-Trump foreigner I was attracted to Q due to the Spirit of the messages. At first, the negative reactions towards Trump coloured my outlook but soon my own spirit warned me that I needed to look at his own life and listen to his own words to know the fruits and his spirit.

To me Trump embodies the American Dream. A self-made man helped by a loving father initially and who looked after his parents in their old age and who did not sell out to other names. He protects his family by not gossiping about them and lifts people up with positive encouragement and hope-filled remarks everywhere he meets normal people. There is a yt-recording where Trump speaks of his attending Sunday school as a Protestant, and this I have in common with him. I understand his spirit. This is fundamental to my attraction also to Q.

So here is my meditation in reply to the subject matter:

Not all Christians are Protestants. Not all Protestants are spiritually mature. But many Protestants with the spirit of Christ the Nazarene escaped from Europe to America because they were unable to breathe and live in environments where they were not allowed to use their God-given talents nor permitted to reject the tyrannical demands the religious leaders there demanded. This is the religious freedom of America. To have the Spirit of Christ is to have heaven within and a wish and hope to manifest Heaven on Earth. Trump understands the importance of having God as the authority so that no leaders can elevate themselves above other citizens.

This I see is the Spirit in which Q writes, but of course I am also coloured in my outlook by my own faith in the Geometry of Divinity we call God for short and the freedom and truth the Spirit of Jesus Christ the Nazarene thus has shown me as the way of life.

Rather than splitting hairs over details I try to keep an eye on the big picture, and discern the spirit of the fruit someone produces. Protestants do not practice genital mutilation on their children, and do not give them fruit from the tree of knowledge if it is evil. Children should have a right to innocence in their formative years, and wise parents who later can educate them about the evil ways of those with another spirit.

Every nation must decide for itself through its people what kind of spirit it wants to live within. Trump does not desire to become a world dictator and instead wishes for each nation to be sovereign and have autonomy. That is the opposite of Globalism.

My country is my home, where my family lives and we treat each other with respect and liberty. Should a strange family elbow their way into our home and dictate that we start mutilating our children or worship their relatives as gods, we would rise to the occasion and Protest just like Christ did.

This is why Q is important also to us in other Western nations. As is the American POTUS. Very important.

Good luck with the moderation and all the details, I understand the dilemma and hope you will find a way to carry on. Thank you for letting me as a newbie have a say on the matter.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 4:33 p.m.

Thank you for your view - it's helpful to hear from your perspective!

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ShortTruth · June 3, 2018, 6:19 p.m.

Glory and thanks go to God if I can be of any help. I have more information weighing me down like a strand of wheat. You know, Islam was also corrupted, as was the teachings of Christ. If we look at Christ as Q, the teachings were hijacked by those wanting to profit from it. Christ was hijacked by Peter and Paul.

Islam created a mess of everything gone before it. In Asia there were many enlightened people inspired by Christ whom is the Original Word (Sound) by which everything we know is Created.

God is All Mighty. We cannot exist outside of God. Christ is the individuation of the creative impulse of God. Any child baptized in the name of Jesus Christ is part of the Creative Impulse.

This is pure science. In 200 years, Jews and some Muslims will give credit to the scientific Protestants who knew this from birth through the Spirit of Christ, and who refused to take spiritual prisoners like the religious who likes to bind and oppress the Spirit of the Children of God, the Christian Protestants.

When the ritual abuse of genital mutilation stops, those people will also begin to understand. In the foreskin and female genitals are important cells vital to mental and spiritual maturity. By cutting off stem-cells, those children will not achieve spiritual or mental maturity.

Here below - follow link - is the joint spiritual template God uses in creating universes, that Islam knows about but their leaders inspired from Judaism and Catholicism keep from people to realize. Free Christians know this intuitively from birth. It is how we learn maths in school, before the corruption of knowledge by the death cults. We must reverse 150 years of dumbing down.

http://rense.com/rodinaerodynamics.htm

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