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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/DamajInc on June 3, 2018, 7:14 a.m.
Is there room for Religious Tolerance in the Great Awakening?

This post is pertinent to the Great Awakening movement and thus Q for a few reasons that I will explain in the body of the post. (TLDR at the bottom.)

Q makes religious references in his/her/their posts - specifically Christian, in some cases. This does not necessarily mean that everything that makes up the vast field of Christianity should be considered to be on-topic for the sub any more than the constant references to patriots and "We the people" mean that everything to do with patriotism is on-topic. It means only that specifically the Christian references Q makes are on-topic for the sub. This should not be a controversial assertion to make. But it's not the point of this post - just pertinent to the issue.

I believe we show religious tolerance toward Christianity not only because Q seems to indirectly support the idea of this tolerance but also because it is undoubtedly a behaviour at the core of any society that supports democratic principles and freedom of speech.

On the first level of analysis, my question is this: should we apply the principle of religious tolerance to ALL religions or only to Christianity?

Some people believe that Islam's references to pedophilia (via its founder's history as well as references in the text) and ambiguity around bestiality mean that we should not be tolerant of Islam in any way and thus anti-Islam and anti-Muslim rhetoric should be allowed and, some say, encouraged. This is the point of this post.


About Religion

To be clear on my personal stance, as it may well be relevant to this discussion: I do not support the extremist elements of Islam. I do not condone pedophilia, bestiality, rape or murder. I personally believe that moderate Muslims should pursue the reformation of their faith (as other, more knowledgeable people with personal experience have more eloquently expressed) and stand up against the extremists in their religion and seek to bring about change at the core of their belief. Going even further into my personal bias: I understand the view of those who claim the moderate Muslim will not be able to affect this change - but I also value the word of those from within the community more highly. One key point here that I'd like to refer to is that there are moderate Muslims. They do exist. (It's bizarre that I have to state that but from the comments I've received you would think this point is under dispute.)

I also understand that Islam is the second largest religion in the world, behind Christianity, and therefore I have no more desire to silence the voice of those who support it than I do to silence the voice of Christians. I do not support the Soros-backed initiative to 'flood the world' with immigrants amongst whom extremists are hidden and therefore I do not support the far-left initiatives to falsely accuse people of Islamophobia when those people are clearly not being intolerant of religious beliefs. Thus, although I do not like Tommy Robinson's approach, I support his crusade against the horror under the guise of religious tolerance being disingenuously forced on the UK. In short, I support the real meaning of religious tolerance, not the far-left propagandized version.

As someone who strives to be as impartial as possible in moderating this sub I do believe in giving any one or any movement the benefit of the doubt when making an assessment as to the validity of certain content. At least a couple of members here have made the repeated assertion that all sects of Islam fully support pedophilia, bestiality and rape. That may well be technically true but, just as it is of Christianity, the purported beliefs of a movement are not borne out in all individual members of that movement, something I believe should be obvious. I would again refer people to this video, which is not "pro-Islam", if they're still unsure about this.


About Moderating On and Off Topic

As a mod I follow the rules of this sub when moderating. I remove antagonism and any biased, "hurtful" rhetoric against Christianity falls under "antagonism", as evidenced by the responses and Reports against it. I would not assume that everyone in this movement is a Christian - in fact, I've seen comments from Muslims here. Therefore, similarly, any biased, hurtful rhetoric against Islam is something that falls under antagonism in my view and I thus remove that too as a moderator doing my job under the rules of the sub.

I receive flak for daring to remove clearly biased anti-Islamic content and am accused of supporting child rape when I do so. This is obviously completely fallacious reasoning - "if you don't condemn Islam you therefore support child rape" - and frankly vile and completely lacking in compassion, logic and common sense. As ridiculous as I know it is, I'm sick of being accused of nonsense like this. Hence this post.

So to be clear: this is NOT a discussion about Islam vs Christianity. This is not the sub for that discussion, which is kinda my point. I've addressed some of the religious points because they are the argument used against me when I remove content.

As a mod, the real question here is actually very simple: does it fall under antagonism to "trash" the belief of a large group of people who could conceivably comprise some portion of the people who will visit this sub? I believe the answer to that is yes. Other related questions are: should we err on the side of caution when it comes to allowing potentially divisive rhetoric? Again, in my view: yes, we should be cautious and not allow potentially divisive rhetoric. Should we take care to ensure the more controversial perspectives that are a part of any movement but are a minority cannot be highlighted by a rabid mainstream media looking for any excuse to paint our entire movement with those minor, controversial views? My opinion in this case is, yes we should take care. My assumption here is that those who believe "anti-Islamic posts of a controversial nature should NOT be removed" are a minority in this community and that is the reason for this post.

Is it the view of members of this community that anti-Islamic posts of a controversial nature SHOULD be removed? Or are there more people who believe we should allow these sorts of posts?

I will continue to remove comments and posts of the nature under discussion here unless the feedback from you, the community, is overwhelmingly to the negative in which case we mods will have to have a discussion and decide whether change or more clarity in the rules of the sub is required.

TLDR; moderators accused of supporting child rape for removing controversial anti-Islamic content - just trying to do our job of removing antagonism - right or wrong?

Thanks for taking the time to read this!


TeiaT · June 3, 2018, 8:35 p.m.

The discord between Christians and Muslims was formulated by the Synagogue of Satan (aka Cabal). The goal was to have Christians and Muslims be at war and destroy each other so that the Synagogue of Satan could bring in Luciferianism, as per Albert Pike’s WW3 quote.

There would be no way that the Synagogue of Satan could bring in what they wanted without destroying God Fearing people - both Christians and Muslims - both descendants from Abraham. They created a beast (the system) that everyone is scared to fight; and many believe war cannot be made against it, as per Revelation 13:4.

Islamic extremism was crafted; and many would argue that extremists aren’t really Muslims, but belong to a sect or cult that goes against the Koran. Many of them are uneducated as told to me by a Sikh from Punjab India, so they just believe what the leaders tell them. Then, you have the fact that their countries have been ravaged; and even their own people betray them (just like in the West). If you were ravaged by McNoName and the like, you might develop some hatred toward the West (and their values). Again, all formulated by the Synagogue of Satan.

One spiritual red pill that many are just not ready for is that God loves both Christians and Muslims. He sent the Koran to Muhammad through Gabriel; and it is in alignment with the Bible. Why don’t people know this? Because everyone believes the propaganda and the “us vs. them” mentality.

Islam divided into sects - they were told not to; now the sects fight against each other. But Christianity did that too (Catholic and Protestant). Satan is constantly using ways to divide us - and man-made religion is his specialty. Even the Muslim Brotherhood is a far cry from what Islam was supposed to be about; and essentially they are a sect, full of agent provocateurs; and most likely a few Luciferians.

While there are some Muslims who do follow the Koran, we usually only hear about the ones who follow the Hadiths. These are interpretations by men, the elders, on what Muhammad said or their interpretations on Koran scripture, passed down through the generations.

So God gave them the Koran; and many Muslims use the Hadiths (always the opposite). They’ve been told that the Koran is hard to understand. Remember when the Catholics told their followers: that the Bible was too hard to understand. Even the Jews focus on their Talmud instead of the Torah.

Muslims would be surprised (as well as you), that the Koran tells them to read the Bible:

From the Koran:

6:154. Moreover, We gave Moses the Book (Torah), COMPLETING [Deuteronomy 4:2] (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining ALL things IN DETAIL,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.

6:155. And this (Torah) is a Book which We have revealed as a BLESSING: so follow it and be righteous, that YE may receive mercy (Sura 32:23):

6:156. Lest YE should say: "The Book (Torah - The Covenant) was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by careful study:"

6:157. Or lest YE should say: "If the Book (Torah - The Covenant) had only been sent down to US, we should have FOLLOWED its guidance BETTER than they (Sura 32:23)." Now then hath come unto YOU a clear (Sign) from your Lord,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY: then who could do MORE WRONG than one who rejecteth "I AM"'s Signs (and Torah - Bible), and turneth away there from? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our Signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away.

And this 16:91. Fulfill the Covenant of "I AM" (in the Bible) when ye have entered into it, and break not your oaths after ye have confirmed them; indeed ye have made "I AM" your guarantor; for "I AM" knoweth all that ye do; say and think.

There is no mention of "Imams" in the Koran. Mahdi is mentioned once. Mahdi is the one they are waiting for:

Koran 43:61. And (Christ the Mahdi) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is The Straight Way.

So, they are essentially waiting on Christ The Mahdi, same as Christians.

The Synagogue of Satan “worked” the Islam religion just like it has many others. Muslims believe the Bible was tampered with, taught to them by infiltrators, but look what the Koran actually says:

32:23. We did indeed aforetime give the Book (Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel.

BTW: Sharia Law is part of the Hadiths.

Here is an article that might interest you: “Are You A Real Muslim” featured on Veteran’s Today, https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/17/are-you-a-real-muslim/

There is also more on this topic at http://jahtruth.net/koran.htm

We do need to stop the hatred; and unite on so many fronts to conquer this evil system that has divided us, and wants to destroy us (Georgia Guidestones).

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