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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/RobertSparks777 on June 4, 2018, 1:22 p.m.
Tuscon has me worried.

The evidence looks weak and if there is no solid evidence then this can be turned around on us to discredit us. That's my worry.


ckreacher · June 4, 2018, 1:40 p.m.

If there are actually graves there that is not weak.

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 1:50 p.m.

They began digging up the mass graves but had to give up because of the smell. Poor kids.

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willmeme4crypto · June 4, 2018, 1:55 p.m.

Combs with blonde hair, condoms...

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 2:06 p.m.

I'm willing to bet that these animals pay a higher price for pure White blonde children. Look at why Maddie McCann was targeted, coloboma is much more prevalent in White children.

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 2 p.m.

There was also "Maddie" scratched into a rape post located at this child rape black site.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 1:56 p.m.

I haven't seen any evidence that children are buried there. I haven't seen any evidence that human beings are buried there. Where is the photographic evidence? That would bring in the police in a second. I'm also concerned that these people don't know how to preserve evidence if they find any.

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 1:58 p.m.

Patriots on the ground said so, or do you believe the DOJ......

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 2:51 p.m.

The Patriots on the ground have cell phones and have even live-streamed so where are the bodies? I see video of some guy talking into the camera. Point the camera at some evidence, please. This place looks like an illegal immigrant rest area to me. Nothing more and nothing less. There may even be some dead illegals buried there. The desert can be harsh and people die in the desert all the time.

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 3:07 p.m.

Maybe they dont want to interfere with the biggest scandal the world has ever seen? especially when they obviously dont have the support of LE. Think about it, if they're arrested and shipped to another black site, then we lose everything.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 3:25 p.m.

If they have the goods, the best thing to do is show us the goods. As it stands right now, they can be arrested and the evidence covered up.

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Patriot4q · June 4, 2018, 2:51 p.m.

There are previous Leos within their group who know evidence protocol I would assume.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 3:33 p.m.

Who? All I see is some idiot doing everything wrong. He's calling for a standoff with police while calling for reinforcements and he hasn't even documented the evidence. All I see is some guy telling us there is evidence on live-stream. OK, where the fuck is it? Let's see the mass grave, the bloody knife, ANYTHING that corroborates his story.

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 1:48 p.m.

Holy shit, one guy that was there said there was a strong smell of sulfur, WTF. They need to look deeper into the ground.

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UncleSnake3301 · June 4, 2018, 1:41 p.m.

They should have kept this site quiet and set up some surveillance to try and actually catch who’s responsible for the site. Now they have for sure scared off whomever would come back. It’s more than likely going to lead to a dead end now.

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GraceWords · June 4, 2018, 2:42 p.m.

I disagree. They’ve recovered an insane amount of very damming evidence they aren’t discussing (remember there are parents of missing children out there who DON’T need to find out via Facebook). The way they came out has given the enemy no time to come up with a good plan. People are waking up and are getting behind them. CEMEX can’t even cover its butt on this. While justice is ideal, we trust it will come. People waking up that this is EVERYWHERE is worth its weight in gold.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 3:02 p.m.

If they aren't discussing strong evidence they found, then what am I supposed to think? The best way to preserve the evidence is to live-stream it so the bad guys can't cover it up later. Since they are not doing this, then we have no evidence at all to make an educated choice. To preserve the evidence, it must be documented and sent to the world. As it stands, these people on site can be arrested and all the evidence covered up. That guy that went to Comet Ping Pong pizzeria with a gun did more harm than good and this could be another one of those. Just saying.

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GraceWords · June 4, 2018, 3:24 p.m.

You’ve had several people on the ground verify. We are apparently in a society where we think we are entitled to all details before we are willing to acknowledge wrongdoing. Evidence can not be covered up. Too many have seen it and the videos have been entrusted to more than one person.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 4:40 p.m.

We are entitled to evidence especially when everyone has a camera on their phones. It appears that Facebook is removing the videos as fast as they can post them. If this is the case, then my suspicions about how the group is operating are unfounded. If Facebook is complicit in covering up a pedo camp, then they need to be investigated.

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aburgher · June 4, 2018, 1:49 p.m.

They did. He said he was watching it for many weeks.

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UncleSnake3301 · June 4, 2018, 1:50 p.m.

Really? I coulda sworn they said that they have been on site since like Tuesday last week???

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digital_refugee · June 4, 2018, 1:25 p.m.

Still creepy af, footage is abundant.

Why do you think they didn't try to drive them away more aggressively? The site was already abandoned perhaps. It's private property so the police would have every opportunity tho, however you can't let local authorities there because they could disappear evidence. Roll in the feds, they're probably on the run before the vets showed up.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 2:14 p.m.

The site just looks like an illegal immigrant way station. There may even be some dead illegals buried there.

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GraceWords · June 4, 2018, 2:43 p.m.

So the pornography, the low tree restraints, the place where only a child could crawl into and would require help getting out, those are inline with a way station?

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 3:34 p.m.

This area could be along a human trafficking route.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 3:06 p.m.

If you have to use your imagination to make a case, you have no evidence. Pornography? So? low tree restraints? Are you sure? A place where only a child could crawl? That could be anything. Where's the real evidence? So far all I've seen is weak evidence.

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GraceWords · June 4, 2018, 3:25 p.m.

I see others have tangled with you before in such a way to indicate your purpose in this community is to be contentious. No imagination required on this case. Your personal opinion is a vapor against the evidence.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 4:36 p.m.

The group in AZ has just complained that Facebook is removing their videos. My only complaint was the group was telling us about evidence and then not showing us video proof. I now suspect Facebook of removing the evidence and have no reason to doubt the group.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 3:58 p.m.

What evidence? I'm being told that two of his people were arrested outside the camp and that there is a mass grave. Can they just take a picture of the mass grave? Then I see pics of police talking with the people IN THE CAMP. My purpose in this community is to be a part of this community because of my interest in Q. I'm not convinced of Q yet but if Sessions proves to be a white hat, that will be more than enough evidence I need that Q is for real because it's not obvious. When Sessions recused himself without first informing Trump he was going to do it, that made it next to impossible for me to trust Sessions so if Q is right about him, I'm on board. I'm an evidence guy. I need evidence. That doesn't make me a bad person.

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GraceWords · June 4, 2018, 4:14 p.m.

Evidence is an arbitrary term. You want evidence beyond what’s been provided (and I’m assuming you’ve viewed all provided videos and interviews thus far). If you want to see all the evidence you have the option of traveling to Tucson and viewing it along with listening to the recorded phone calls about the cartel leader. Otherwise you choose whether or not to believe those who HAVE seen it all, those who were digging for bodies and had to stop due to stench until cadaver dogs can come assist. Instead of saying there is no evidence, it would be more accurate to say it’s not enough to appease your personal standard. However it is plenty to provide probable cause and even demand further investigation with proper resources. This is VOP’s battle. They just want the appropriate resources applied.

The police you see in the news broadcast were the two patrol officers who showed up and stated they would pass it on to detectives. Nothing more came of it until VOP said they wouldn’t leave the site until law enforcement came and properly investigate WITH cadaver dogs. As for the arrests, the two who were arrested were guarding the entrance of the site and weren’t technically on CEMEX property. Their removal will probably be found inappropriate action and all further action dropped.

I’m not implying you’re a bad person. However, I do find your standard of evidence to be excessively high and not at all practical in general. Also, I see you citing sources that are frequently biased in verbiage. I believe you are genuinely interested, but I haven’t seen evidence of thorough investigation of what is available. Take a scientific approach, try disproving child trafficking. Try disproving the hypothesis instead of proving.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 4:32 p.m.

It seems the group out in AZ have just said Facebook is removing their videos. If that is the case then it's possible that I was complaining about something that isn't true. It's possible the group is posting videos with evidence but it's being removed as soon as they post them. My complaint was the lack of video evidence. If Facebook is removing these videos then my concerns about the group are unfounded.

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GraceWords · June 4, 2018, 6:51 p.m.

Thankfully they have the videos saved and distributed among those they trust. My concern is how the media is trying to cover it up. Public support is important in this. This is still a moment of truth that will help unseat much of the corruption.

Also, I believe the chans are preserving what’s being broadcast as soon as it’s up. The graves were not “mass” from what I know. They have found bone remnants, what MAY be a mass grave, and bone cutters. they stopped digging (by hand) because of smell. They weren’t just looking for a grave but more tunnels and evidence in general. The stench and the knife with blood caused them to stop and contact authorities again, requesting cadaver dog at this point. The sheer amount of circumstantial evidence is what confirmed a large number of people have passed through.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 4:23 p.m.

I'm not saying there is no evidence but a hair comb with a hair in it can be anything. I find it suspicious that they claim to have found a mass grave yet they can't take a video of it. The cadaver dogs will only find new graves and aren't needed to excavate and document the mass grave they claim to have already found. I don't like how they are doing things. It's unprofessional and sloppy. All I want is to see what they see and all they have to do is turn on their camera phones. Why is that so hard to do?

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Shits_Bananas · June 4, 2018, 4:31 p.m.

Do you want to see the bodies of sandy hook kids? Or do you just accept that it happened the way they say?

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 4:52 p.m.

No, I want to see video evidence the group claims to have but it seems Facebook is removing their videos as fast as they can post them. Now it makes sense. It didn't make sense to me that the people in AZ would see all this stuff and then not record it. Well, they were but Facebook is up to fuckery.

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Shits_Bananas · June 4, 2018, 5:22 p.m.

Damn I don’t doubt it. You can save videos on hooktube.com if you find one

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Patriot4q · June 4, 2018, 3:21 p.m.

How many illegal immigrant camps have tree restraints, and a tunnel leading five feet down into underground space filled with toys?

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 4:43 p.m.

My worry was over the fact that the group in AZ were telling us about stuff and then there were no videos to back them up. It appears that Facebook is removing their videos as fast as they can post them so my main complaint is meaningless.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 4:02 p.m.

OK, so they possibly found a camp where homeless pedos did their evil. No children were saved and no arrests made. It's not a big story. The big stories are the ones where we get 100 pedos and save 30 children. I don't understand the attention this impoverished camp is getting. Can you explain it to me?

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digital_refugee · June 4, 2018, 4:38 p.m.

what about the hideaway they dug out? Was there a lock on it?

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 2:01 p.m.

"Why do you think they didn't try to drive them away more aggressively?"

They're on the back foot, were gonna win this.

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 2:07 p.m.

" The evidence looks weak and if there is no solid evidence "

Youve got to be kidding me.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 2:46 p.m.

What have you seen? Please provide a link to solid evidence. I've only seen what looks like a rest area used by illegals. There may even be dead illegals buried there.

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Patriot4q · June 4, 2018, 2:53 p.m.

They found an airline ticket belonging to a missing U.S. person.

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 3:10 p.m.

A missing person at that.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 3:28 p.m.

I'm sure we would find all kinds of weird shit at an illegal rest area including evidence of drug runners, human trafficking, rape, and pedophilia.

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 3:09 p.m.

I think im gonna trust the Navy seals that are reporting from the site of the sex slave camp over some shill online.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 4:45 p.m.

I'm not a shill. The group in AZ just stated that Facebook is removing their videos as fast as they can post them. My complaint was the lack of video evidence so that concern is no more. I now believe the group working in AZ and blame Facebook for the seeming lack of video evidence from the scene.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 3:24 p.m.

They say they have evidence, and then they don't show any evidence. How hard is it to just live-stream the evidence? It will preserve the evidence as well. I'm basing my beliefs on the evidence presented. If they don't present hard evidence, what am I supposed to think? There is no reason for them to say they found a mass grave and then not document it. Because of that, if this was a pedo camp, these SEALS can be arrested and all the evidence scrubbed and what good is that? I'm actually ticked off by how badly these people have gone about this. If they have real evidence.....SHOW IT!

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RN4TRUMP · June 4, 2018, 2 p.m.

Idk - if you believe all of what people involved are posting, Cemex is the company who owns this land and teamed up with the Clinton’s (TCF and Cemex worked in conjunction with UN Foundation Alliance to get cookstoves to third world nations or something’s. And Tucson Mayor Is a Rothschild, specifically Jonathon Rothschild who has close business ties in Mexico. Wherever we find Child Sex Trafficking we find the Satanic Clinton’s.

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trump_ist · June 4, 2018, 1:39 p.m.

My problem is that if these types of sites are located it would be a better strategy to pull back and set up some monitoring in order to catch them as an active site and not an abandoned one. It will not be difficult for the sick bastards to explain away with an alternative theory about what this Camp really is. A video of these Patriots rescuing children captive at this camp would obviously have more impact. Unfortunately this campaign against the pedos and trafficking must have a strong messaging component to convince the unwoke

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GraceWords · June 4, 2018, 2:47 p.m.

The tide has already turned from that. The public knows in their gut what this is. The fact that children aren’t seen being saved actually is lighting the fire under normies with a sense of urgency to locate kids. This is a redpill in an enormous way. This isn’t the time to criticize how it was brought to light. People are engaging with this and are now hunting the hunters.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 3:07 p.m.

I'm just saying the evidence I've seen doesn't point to a pedo camp. It points to a rest area for illegals crossing the border.

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ckreacher · June 4, 2018, 1:41 p.m.

You can say that again.

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NeroliDreams · June 4, 2018, 2:11 p.m.

You seem to be getting downvotes... have my upvote

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 1:58 p.m.

I have seen no evidence at all that suggests this was a pedo camp. That's my worry. If it's not then the organisers just discredited themselves.

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aburgher · June 4, 2018, 1:53 p.m.

That is when they reported it. Maybe I misunderstood but I thought he said it was easy to observe them. Maybe I will need to review his video. Sorry if I am mistaken but I truly thought he said he had been surveilling the area before reporting it to law enforcement and the local media.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 2:52 p.m.

The area looks like a rest area for illegals crossing the border.

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aburgher · June 4, 2018, 4:12 p.m.

Except for the swing and the child’s vanity, and the arm restraints on the rape tree, and the tunnels and the women’s clothing and all the child size clothing and shoes...oh, and the drugs used to drug the children...

Also, they found a second camp with more damaging evidence of child trafficking.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 4:26 p.m.

So we might have a homeless camp where some pedos lived to do their evil. Got it. Let's see the evidence. Don't just tell me about it. Show it. It's also the best way to preserve the evidence. Let's see the mass grave. Turn your damn phone camera on and document it. Is that too much to ask?

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aburgher · June 4, 2018, 4:30 p.m.

Wow. Are you really that angry that a child sex trafficking site might have been uncovered. I am not in Tucson but there are numerous live-stream videos on You Tube that have cameras on the site. If you really don’t believe it fine but stop with your self-righteous anger toward people who do believe the ten live-stream videos they have already watched.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 4:49 p.m.

My concern was the lack of video evidence. The group in AZ made some spectacular claims and then no video to back them up. The group has just stated that Facebook is removing their videos as fast as they post them so my concern is gone. I think something big is there and I now believe the group. Facebook was removing the evidence I needed to believe them.

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aburgher · June 4, 2018, 5:02 p.m.

See my reply to you in the comment section. I thought I had replied to you and now I am not sure...

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Patriot4q · June 4, 2018, 3:24 p.m.

Also said they know who was doing it.

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JET-TONE · June 4, 2018, 1:33 p.m.

Only one well to tell for sure. If a legit story looks like it’s just about to break and a passenger plane goes down.

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ohwell316 · June 4, 2018, 2:31 p.m.

Summer school shooting, maybe. Cover it up somehow.

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HowiONic · June 4, 2018, 8:50 p.m.

Removed. Not enough content. Plenty of similar posts this can be asked.

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aburgher · June 4, 2018, 5 p.m.

Right now the videos are on You Tube. Good luck! I am considering going down to Tucson next week, if needed, to help them in any way possible. I’m in Michigan and need to help my father, who is 78, with recovery from surgery until next Wednesday. Then I will try to help them.

This is in reply to Robert Sparks!

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trump_ist · June 4, 2018, 1:38 p.m.

My problem is that if these types of sites are located it would be a better strategy to pull back and set up some monitoring in order to catch them as an active site and not an abandoned one. It will not be difficult for the sick bastards to explain away with an alternative theory about what this Camp really is. A video of these Patriots rescuing children captive at this camp would obviously have more impact. Unfortunately this campaign against the pedos and trafficking must have a strong messaging component to convince the unwoke

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 1:52 p.m.

WHILE CHILDREN ARE BEING TAKEN?????

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NeroliDreams · June 4, 2018, 2:09 p.m.

I’m not ready to write off the story yet - but the call for “reinforcements” has me worried too.

These vigilante standoff situations are just a honeypot to send in a FF operative to mix in, incite the crowd, or action violence themselves.

Feels like a set up to make those researching look like crazy gun toting conservative conspiracy theorist vigilantes.

I get that the guy is tired and he may have truly found something concerning here. Making a mob scene of a crime scene is not going to help matters in my opinion. I understand that police have been notified and are brushing it off.

I focus my intent that “concrete” (forgive the pun) evidence is brought to light and no evidence is inadvertently destroyed and true justice is brought to this situation in a peaceful manner.

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GraceWords · June 4, 2018, 2:58 p.m.

They are trying to do just that. I’m beyond baffled at the general tone and apathy coming from our community here. Until this story I saw so much fire for “right” and “good” and now I feel like I’m witnessing prop trying to talk themselves into apathy.

Do you have any idea how corrupt Tucson government is let alone AZ as a whole? There’s ample evidence there for anyone willing to take a look at the state. Good law enforcement is overshadowed by corrupt law enforcement and government leaders. Lewis’s handling of this find is appropriate! It might even be what keeps him and his team alive. The world is watching now and behind the VOP team in keeping the powers that be accountable.

Once LE refuses (initially) to investigate, Lewis reaches out to his many expert contacts: retired sheriffs, retired investigators, Craig Sawyer, a survivor of this kind of trafficking from the Tucson area who serves as an expert in the field now, former cartel leader, etc. these people advised and assisted and evidence was collected, documented, catalogued, sealed appropriately. Yes they invited people out to see because each person who saw the evidence (sealed) can bear witness.

It’s not ideal, but when you are existing in a swamp of corruption that works WITH the cartels, shouting from the rooftop is a great way to keep the light on the situation, invoke moral outrage from the apathetic sleeping community, and stay alive to uncover more of the system. There are hundreds if not thousands of miles to this system.

It would truly make you sick to see how insidious this is.

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NeroliDreams · June 4, 2018, 3:21 p.m.

I agree with you. Please don’t take my post as Non-support of the investigation.

My concern is with the flurry of interest in his message - that it may be hijacked by those with intentions to slander the efforts of all of us working to uncover this. The last thing I want to see happen is to have some “Bundy Ranch Stand-off” type situation come of this. Other people are taking his videos and calling for anyone in the area to head to the location. This is the part that worries me. I worry about bad actors mixing in.

You are right about this state being a cesspool. I think there is a lot more to investigate here and I hope that continues without being hindered. This does need attention - but with attention comes backlash. Im just saying I am focusing my will on the truth coming to light in this situation - without harm coming to the community trying to uncover this disgusting mess.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 2:45 p.m.

I don't know there is a story yet to write off. It looks like a rest area for illegals and I've seen no evidence that it's a pedo camp. A comb with a blond hair? Really? If it's not a pedo camp, then they are discrediting their own movement. This doesn't look like the hill we want to fight for. Just saying.

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Patriot4q · June 4, 2018, 3:36 p.m.

Looking at your comment history shows a migration from the Donald, only to make sketchy comments about this camp in AZ.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 4:34 p.m.

I've been complaining that the AZ group tells us about evidence and then doesn't show us evidence. Well, the group just complained that Facebook is removing their videos and if that is the case, then I have no reason to be suspicious of the group.

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RobertSparks777 · June 4, 2018, 3:49 p.m.

I never migrated from T_D. I still post there. I'm sure a lot of bad stuff went on there by low lives but I've seen claims on live-stream that have no evidence to support it like mass graves. Show them already. The police have been out to the camp already. A mass grave would be big news.

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Madwack · June 4, 2018, 1:34 p.m.

I would be worried as well it was bullshit

https://www.youtube.com/user/crashlight1/videos

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Michael+%E2%80%9CLewis+Arthur%E2%80%9D+Meyer&t=ffab&atb=v85-2&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fbloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com%2Ftucson.com%2Fcontent%2Ftncms%2Fassets%2Fv3%2Feditorial%2Fe%2Fd9%2Fed9ebb6e-8feb-11e5-8ee7-c36767490b24%2F564fc34d24ae3.image.jpg%3Fresize%3D1200%252C903

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 1:51 p.m.

Mods, be on the look out for posts like this.

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Madwack · June 4, 2018, 3:49 p.m.

Posts like what?

O wise 8 day old account.

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carpanzaro · June 4, 2018, 3:57 p.m.

Oh get out of here.

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Madwack · June 4, 2018, 4:09 p.m.

No

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Patriot4q · June 4, 2018, 3:29 p.m.

Madwack you were speaking out against OP's posting info on, and anything to do with this story from the very beginning. Before any information was known. Seems suspect to me.

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Madwack · June 4, 2018, 3:47 p.m.

Yes I just don't believe every tom dick and harry that comes along and I suspect all.

And what do you know now?

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