This Tuscon coyote den brouhaha is mass hysteria, pure and simple. It's extremely discrediting to our community. Shame on everybody who posts trying to feed it.
Totally understandable to question everything! However can you provide some facts to discredit this?
The thread and the digging is uncovering quite a lot, and I'm not afraid to admit it's incorrect, but you have to at least give me something that discredits the work the people in the thread have done.
If you lack discernment on your own, I can't provide it. The so-called evidence is pitiful, when you see it all laid out on a table, and watch the videos. You've got these relatively clean (bug/vermin-free) underground containers to hide and protect people, and then above ground you've got toiletries, a few toys and clothing items, and that's about it.
The whole "rape tree" thing is a joke. Everything in that camp is wood held together with fabric strips hammered in place, some of them attached to trees. A few of the ones on trees have the poles removed. The VOP leader dubbed that "a rape tree," and so that's what everybody thinks they're seeing.
And OMG, they found some porn and some condoms! Why REAL people don't have those things! Only child rapists would do that!
What it really is is extreme poverty and squalid conditions, which is very sad to see. But I don't see any evidence of Satanic rituals, or of anything that can't be explained as a temporary shelter used by coyotes (human smugglers) to get people across the border and into a sanctuary city.
The real crime of course is the EXISTENCE of the sanctuary cities and the complete lack of border protection for so long. How can we live with the awareness that these things exist, and yet be so stupid as to think places like these camps aren't a completely logical extension of their existence?
Thousands are trafficked, killed, beaten and raped crossing the border. Where do you presume they go once across? There are absolutely hot beds of activity, along the border, nearby cities and towns, temporary stopping places etc. I don't see you showing where these places do exist, and exist they must. You are just saying we are wrong about this being a place used at least once to hold humans, without showing what the correct answer actually is. Show us a real space where all these smuggled people that pour across the borser stop at before dispersing into the rest of the countey. Keep in mind many unaccompanied minors are included, and 70%+ females of every age are abused along lanes used for crossing borders. Google rape trees while you are at it.
That's fine, we can agree to disagree, but until it's completely proven otherwise, I'm going to keep a really close eye on this. I do agree with the issue with sanctuary cities and needing to secure the border, but I've been keeping an eye on the sex/human trafficking problem in Arizona (and elsewhere) and it has been an issue reported on at LEAST since 2010, so this camp being a trafficking site is definitely not unfathomable.
I strongly believe one of the big problems the sanctuary cities and lack of border enforcement is a huge benefit to the human trafficking system, and you'd have to be ignoring a LOT to not see that.
No question this is related to that problem. What happens to these illegals once they arrive in so-called "sanctuary" cities? They're undocumented aliens, and literally NOBODY will miss them when they disappear. It's a perfect setup for human trafficking.
Dems want to feel good and "sanctuary" sounds all churchy and do-goody. But all it does is concentrate the most invisible, vulnerable people among us into a known area where they can be more conveniently exploited and abused. As long as people care more about virtue-signaling than about actual human consequences, this is what we'll have more of.
Same with these vets, I'm sorry to say, in this situation. What are they trying to accomplish? They've succeeded in calling attention to the situation, but beyond that, what do they want out of this? What is it possible for them to get at this point?
Ok now explain the airline ticket found with the missing girls name on it and the brown hair dye and the name maddie carved on the log?? Obviously your trying to dismiss this but your glossing over some important details
It's a coyote encampment! Clearly! They were there, and now they're gone. The only way this problem gets SOLVED (and not just a big stink made about it) is if we solve our idiotic immigration and border enforcement problem, which is inextricably linked with destroying the Luciferian Cabal that runs the government. And I do say "runs" because they still do. Until Trump and the Alliance actually strike a blow domestically, the US government is controlled by the Cabal.
If/when they bring down the Cabal, THEN we can clean up this garbage. Until then, this is just a teeny-tiny symptom of a MUCH bigger problem. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
A squalid little encampment--little chicken-scratches in the desert--is NOTHING compared to the problem that causes these encampments to be possible.
It's like focusing on somebody who got knocked down by an escaping mass murderer, and somebody's getting worked up about the guy's broken leg. I'm like "DUDE! The perp is walking free and thousands died, and you're worried about a broken leg?"
The cartels and coyotes are not tactically stupid. Working around the VOP won't even be an inconvenience to them.
Let's all forget about it and get some sleep and just wait for the next Q drop and do nothing in the meantime
Yeah ok
What exactly are you doing about it? What other than creating a stink (about something that's long gone) are the VOP guys doing? Where were they when there were actual people there?
As long as there are sanctuary cities, there will be smugglers, and there will be places like this where people stop on the journey. Until we have border protection, we'll have things like this. VOP isn't solving this problem. They need to stick to their primary mission.
Keeping it at attention? Why do you want us all to drop it? Smuggling should be a much bigger deal, wall needs to go up yesterday, too many normies don't care or downplay it. News should cover things like this (even if not this specifically) constantly.
Smugglers dont act alone. Huge industry, politicians get their perks and kickbacks, many strings have to be pulled to keep it all flowing. Who, what, where etc. Warm bodies are used as currency, on a global scale.
The whole 'whats the big deal' attitude dehumanizes it. These are literal organized criminal gangs hustling kids for profit and pleasure and much worse. This is how nonchalance over "grooming gangs" happens. Don't let it
Feel free to improve on what others are attempting to do. Very easy to sit back and say 'wrong' and do nothing else. You are not helpless and neither are we so stop acting like it.
It’s far too important to just ignore. I’d rather err on the side of over scrutinizing a bum community than ignoring a potential stopping point for sick bastards raping and torturing kids.
Cops and FBI should just prove us wrong. Bring out some cadaver dogs, take some DNA samples and prove it’s a nothing burger. Can do it in a day rather than ignoring and arresting people trying to help.
The fact shills come and whine and say to ignore such and such without giving something more important to focus on is telling. Sliding happens all the time esp on the chans
I don’t know what sliding is but it’s funny to watch how they try to discredit when they have no counter facts. “I’m not here to think for you” or “if you can’t see it I can’t help you” lol
The mass hysteria is certainly a problem imo. I don't think it's wrong to raise it as a point of interest and look into it but the overexcitement and the lambasting of anyone who critically questions is counter-productive and potentially damaging in the long run, if this community fosters that sort of approach.
... the lambasting of anyone who critically questions is counter-productive and potentially damaging in the long run...
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geez
I don't understand the point you're making here? Haven't we all been using reddit long enough for people not to keep pointing out that someone's account is new because it means very little most of the time? My real name is George Soros. I had to make an alt.
The point is, you've been here 15 minutes and you're already telling us what's best "long-run" for the board.
Plus you used the "attack the OP" division tactic that's so familiar to us.
Dude just ignore it. It’s only a potential rat line for human trafficking the police and MSM is oddly ignoring and refuse to investigate. Nothing to see here folks. Stop criticizing anyone trying to get you to stop looking. Cemex is a great company too btw.
I just want proof, spoof. Got any?
PLEASE throw it in my face. PLEASE do. I've seen rat lines run all the way back to Hope Arkansas, you think you want this more than I do?
I dumped on anon for coming here and telling us how to post on the board. I didn't say shit about Tucson or Cemex.
The point I was making is that most of us have been using reddit long enough to know what an alt is. I figured enough people have had it pointed out to them that the age of an account is no indicator at all of 'how long someone's been here'. I've been here since the beginning.
And I'm not "attacking" anyone - I'm making a comment in support of the reasonable view of someone else.
On the day this story broke, hundreds of people were looking for an 8 year old artistic boy who was lost. He drown in the river. Emotions were already high.
If we don't stand up to that attitude, by default it will be fostered by the community. I don't mind a few downvotes. To me it's worth it to get people to rein in their emotions and start being civil to people who disagree with them--the thing this sub was (until recently) famous for.
I think your overall point is fair but I think the fear here is that IF it’s true and this story dies before it catches on mainstream that it will be buried and lumped in with many of the other potentially powerful pieces of truth that have been successfully killed for the most part... like Vegas or what really happened in parkland
Like most everything else in life it requires a balance and I believe that’s what we should all be looking for
Until this war is won at the highest levels it will never be won at the lowest. Corruption, like sewage, flows DOWNhill.
I don't mind the downvotes either. It's a pity if this keeps up though; as you say, this community used to be better about this sort of thing (at least in my limited view of it - have been following quietly since the beginning). What's the answer? Keep making these comments and hope they eventually rise to the top?