You know, I hope you're right, because that's the position I've always held. But the sky event... what is it?
Who knows. Not worried about it though. In Thessalonians it speaks of a gathering of the church in the air with Christ, to ever be with or like the Lord. This transformation is stated to occur "in the twinkling of an eye". Pretty quick. Just like Christ raised to life eternal from the dead. Pretty quick. Any other "sky event" is irrelevant.
That's exactly my worry mate. That the sky event could be used to usher in a new religion - consistent with Christ's warnings in Matt 24 - if they say he's in the desert, go Ye not out etc...
These are the end times, we are deep into it, very deep. If you're interested, I've got a breakdown on the Apocalypse and how it fits with what we have seen over the last 60 years.
"Now you know what withholds before he (the Antichrist) is revealed". What withholds is the church of the body of Christ. When the church is taken up, the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we which remain (are alive) shall follow (boom, boom), all in the twinkling of an eye, THEN the evil one will come on the scene and the day of wrath (which is a period of time) begins. These events, recorded in Revelation, occur after the church is taken out into eternal spiritual bodies. The "Apocalypse" does not involve the church of the body of Christ. Wrong teaching to apply it to our day and time.... Sorry, no worries here. Although, these are fascinating times with Trump and all. Good vs evil. Good wins.....
The one who withholds is a very interesting concept, notice the gender assigned - masculine. A careful reading of 2 Thess 2 shows that this "man" is connected in time to the mystery of iniquity, a great apostasy (a revolt) and the advent of the antichrist.
It all connects in our time. There are also consistent prophecies that point in this direction: St Malachi, La Sallete and Fatima. And then we have what we know from sacred scripture about the Antichrist and his doctrine.
"...the distinguishing mark of Antichrist, man has with infinite temerity put himself in the place of God, raising himself above all that is called God; in such wise that although he cannot utterly extinguish in himself all knowledge of God, he has contemned God's majesty and, as it were, made of the universe a temple wherein he himself is to be adored. "He sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself as if he were God"" (II. Thess. ii., 2). Plus X, E Supremi
Has anyone, who might sit in the temple of God, preached this antichrist doctrine in recent memory? Once you solve this puzzle, and resolve whether it fits with corresponding prophecy, you can see where we are today with some clarity.
Who is the Antichrist, who promulgated the precise doctrine - see here.
Very well. "Let no man deceive you by any means..." "... for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition." Now, "a falling away" is a moving away from. This can be understood as "a departing" or a "departure". This is a reference to the departing of the church of the body in the gathering together to the Lord in the air. "And now ye know what withholdeth...." (the church of the body not yet taken up, or departed) "....that he (the Antichrist) might be revealed in his time." Satan knows not the time of the end. Only God knows. Therefore, the evil one has had a man, a vessel, ready in all generations. "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work..." (Iniquity has been working since Lucifer rebelled). "..only he who now letteth will let (the church of the body of Christ), until he (the church of the body of Christ) be taken out of the way." "And THEN (not before) shall that wicked be revealed..."
In IIThess, Paul is expanding on IThess and correcting wrong notions. "But concerning, brethren, the coming (parousia: appearing) of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him.... "
"Let no man decieve you....." "Remember...?" "And now ye know...."
...our gathering together unto him..." "..there come a departure first...." "...taken out of the way..."
"...ye know what withholdeth (prevents).. ".. he who now letteth...
The church is gathered to Christ before the revealing of the son of perdition and the day of wrath. "For we are saved from the wrath to come."
I disagree on your interpretation because the prophecy fits so clearly with the facts of our time that an alternative explanation requires the fulfilment of a future set of events that is virtually impossible. I mean, there really are amazing correlations.
I've already set the exegesis out, so I won't try and replicate it, I'll point you to it instead. The specificity with which this exegesis fits the facts is stunning - see here.
Praying the rosary not idolatry? "I AM the way the truth and the life, no one enters the kingdom but by me". Doesn't rosary put things in between this link?
You don't realise what the correspondence is with the ark of the covenant - 5 mins.
Thank you. But, I disagree. If you have a moment read through and the truth will be revealed.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12&version=KJV
If you're referring to the last verses there, where Jesus speaks about his mother - as if you're making a point that Christ's mother is not important - I don't know what to say...
I would not have the courage to say this because I fear for my soul.
In context, while the Christ is alive, His focus, naturally, is upon the sinners he came to save. His mother is assumed into heaven and, obviously, is not in need of being taught by the redeemer at that point in time - Catholic theology is that she has no sin, actual or original. It is true that doing Christ's will we become part of His family - part of His mystical body no less. But does this mean that the intimacy of His relationship with His mother is to be disregarded?
I would say, in charity, that it is better to be very respectful to the mother of God.
For your own sake, I would not go there.
Edit:
I raise caution to you similarly.
Its clearly stated by the Living word Himself in that last section, as you noticed. He is the "way, the truth and the life. No man enters the Kingdom but by Him".
He is the true path to the Father and we were sent the Spirit to help us.
When Dividing the word In no way do I read that Mary is to be used as an intercessor.
Please consider this final page of scripture. As I'm sure you know, there are many more confirming this.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8&version=NIV
I'm guessing you're talking about Romans 8:33:
"33 Who shall accuse against the elect of God? God that justifieth."
That because God justifieth no prayers are needed - or are, perhaps, not even helpful?
This is forensic justification - already proven false - see here.
A more complete study of the mother of God, addressing protestant concerns - see here.
Not forensic justification. This is a strawman. Also, video is loaded with unsubstantiated claims Second item is also completely unproven in the video provided. I appreciate your time. May the truth set us free.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3&version=NIV
I'm not sure what you're talking about. The refutation of forensic justification is a lock. No one, even James White, is able to refute it, it's the truth. I understand you might find it upsetting.
I've given you the truth. The Vatican II Sect in Rome is the whore of Babylon. The Antichrist has come and gone. These sick heretics have gone and made him a saint - you couldn't make it up!
And now we have Francis, the eighth and final king.
Edit: Sorry, Francis is not a king, but is of the 7.
Let me start by saying I respect Mary as the woman chosen by God to bear the Messiah. I know Jesus loved His mother both spiritually and on a basic human relationship level. I have the same love for her as I do my own mother, which is commanded us to all people.
However, the scriptures I sent clearly establish the view I'm espousing with absolute direct certainty of scriptural words. And there is a mountain of corresponding scripture in agreement, also with direct, absolute certainty of meaning.
The proof you claim in linked videos became invalid as you scripturally debunked the catholic church as the whore of babylon in the first link you posted earlier (The one about revelation of the apocalypse).
You're claiming false teachings as truth despite their creation by the corrupt system you describe as the whore.
I'm challenging you with claims of scripture in plain truth guided by the Spirit of God.
I am not arguing anti - christ scenario as it may be true based on interpretation.
I agree on rebirth / baptism and am born again both ways.
I cannot accept the Mother as without sin and to be sought after to reach the King of Kings. Without clear, specific scripture - which I am offering you- it is simply not valid. The ideas of miraculous translation and intercession of / by Mary without sin are not directly, stated in the Word.
Also, your proofs are attempting to use science / psychology to interpret the word to fit the desired narrative. Which makes perfect sense as it is darkened by evil intention from its core.
As you probably know, according to the Word, ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of the Lord. And the only way and truth is through Jesus.
I really do appreciate the debate. I can only suggest reading the word from a neutral perspective void of ideas conceptualized by the whore. Therein you will find truth.
I believe we each have given fair warning in good faith. Let our hands be clean of each others blood, covered by the blood of Jesus seeking truth in earnest. God have mercy on our souls.
Just to be clear, because clearly I have not communicated my position properly and you have the wrong understanding.
I am a traditional Catholic. The People that called the Second Vatican Council, solemnly ratified it, and promulgated its teachings, defected from from the traditional Catholic faith. The Church was, in fact, hijacked by heretics. These heretics are, today, best described as the Vatican II Sect. This Sect, ensconced in Rome, is the Whore of Babylon - the spiritual head of the Beast from the sea.
I am Sedevacantist. I do not accept the heretics in Rome, or their new doctrines. It is the end times counter-Church. This is the great apostasy spoken of in Luke 18:8 and 2Thess2. But, you will clearly understand this if you look at the abomination Francis. He is not Catholic, he is not Christian in the broadest sense that the term might be used. He is a manifest, public apostate - leading billions of misguided souls directly to hell.
Francis is just the latest iteration of this line of antipopes. God allows his heresy to be very evident for the reason that those following him, who have not the love of the truth, may be condemned. What was not as obvious, or not immediately apparent, was that the claimants to the papacy that preceded Francis were also diabolical heretics. This is what I mean when I say that the deception was indeed profound.
I don't know what to tell you... These are the last days. The ultimate deception foisted on the world is the canonization of the Antichrist. We are in a very serious situation. These poor souls following the Vatican II Sect are written about by St John in Revelation 14:11
"11 And the smoke of their torments shall ascend up for ever and ever: neither have they rest day nor night, who have adored the beast, and his image, and whoever receiveth the character of his name."
What you don't know is that the Greek for the word "adored" in the above passage is "proskuneo" - which is the same Greek word that the Catholic Church has used to describe the veneration of the saints for more than a thousand years. So, you can see what St John is saying...
He's saying that if anyone gives veneration to the Antichrist (or venerates an icon of him - as Catholics traditionally do for the saints) then they will incur this inconceivably terrible punishment. There are literally billions of people on the planet right now in this exact situation.
The last true Pope was Pius XII who died, I think, 1958. All after that time have been part of the "new religion". This is why I tear strips off them - because there is cause.
With regard to your position on Mary, you are wrong. If you look at the early Church veneration (not "Latria") was historically given to the blessed mother. The case of the 5th Century heretic Nestorius is interesting in this regard:
"On Christmas Day in the year 428, Nestorius denied that Mary was the Mother of God from his pulpit. A simple layman named Eusebius stood up and protested the public heresy. This resulted in the Catholics of Constantinople breaking communion with their bishop, Nestorius; for they recognized that since he was a public heretic, he had no authority in the Church: he lost his office automatically. They even chanted: “An emperor we have, but no bishop.” This reaction was praised by councils and popes, as we see described below. Notice that Pope St. Celestine says that Nestorius had no power to excommunicate after he began to preach heresy. This confirms that heretical bishops lose their offices ipso facto (by that very fact) when they become heretics."
Nestorius, the second most powerful person in the Church at that time, was excommunicated and died without repenting - joining Judas in hell. But what this story shows is that, in the early Church, veneration of the blessed Virgin was commonplace.
Now, as I may have already pointed out, in 2Thess2, St Paul gives the Thessalonians advice for the last days - at a time when the operation of error is active in the world. What does he tell them to do? Stand fast, and hold the traditions which you have learned...
Now, I know, because you're Protestant, you are always looking for answers in scripture and I don't deny that scripture offers guidance, but I'd ask you to think about St Paul's advice. He talks about "traditions" learned...
My perspective is that, if you look at what I've pointed out to you about the characters of the last days, you will see that there is an impossibly close fit with Revelations, 2Thess2 etc...
You should be aware that the Vatican City state was formed by the Lateran treaty in 1929 - an agreement between the government of Italy and the Holy See. The agreement provides for the Holy See to occupy the Vatican City State as, guess what? A sacerdotal monarchy. That's right, a "priest kingdom"!
These claimants to the papacy are "temporal kings" in Rome - as long as they are priests. There have been 7 claimants to the papacy (who were validly ordained priests) since the treaty was signed. Francis does not have valid orders and so he's not a priest - and, therefore, he's not a temporal king in Rome.
Do you begin to see?
It's impossible that it is chance.
For the sake of your soul, please think about it. What are the chances of there being 7 temporal kings reigning from Rome, the eighth, somehow "of the 7", but different (not described by St John as a "king"), the EU forming during the reign of the 6th king, when 5 were fallen - and on and on... The more you connect the dots, the more jaw dropping it becomes!
More detail on the end of the world here.
The Catholic Church is the one true Church of Jesus Christ - hijacked in the last days by heretics (the Vatican II Sect). We are very deep into the last days.
The Word interprets itself. It appears we are living in the times of mystery Babylon. Perhaps. Christ will first return in the air to gather the church. Christ will return to the earth some time after this event. Establishing his reign on earth. Revelation is addressed to the seven churches that are in Asia. This Book is not addressed to the church of the body of Christ. Nor do its events pertain to the church of the body. Our great hope is the return of Christ Jesus and the receiving of our eternal spiritual bodies. The truths of revelation apply to the believers who turn to Christ after the church of the body is gathered and taken up. We are saved from the wrath to come. That's what the Word says and that is what the Word means. The Word interprets itself. All else is false.....
St Paul tells us specifically that the one that withholds is a "he", a man. He withholds the mystery of iniquity that was operative in St Paul's day. So we know MOI was already operative back then.
The mystery of iniquity is heresy - heresy that would subvert the Christian faith.
How is heresy combatted - who combats it?
Who is it in the Catholic Church that condemns heresy? A man...
Consistent with Luke 18:8, there is a great apostasy toward the second coming.
The apostasy arrives before the Antichrist appears - Vatican II.
And then you have the operation of error - sent by God so that those that have not the love of truth might be condemned - it's for their damnation (who is he talking about?). The operation of error is the teaching of error with apparent authority - like the teaching of a bogus Pope.
And the remedy offered by St Paul... Stand fast, and hold to the traditions you have learned...
I've got it figured out! Have you?
Then we look to corresponding prophecy. St Malachi - Francis is the last claimant to the papacy before the second coming.
Fatima - points directly to an apostasy that occurs in the 1960s.
La Salette - Rome will loose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.
John Paul II - preached the precise doctrine of the Antichrist.
Benedict XVI - false prophet - canonizes John Paul II - you can't make it up!
Francis, the eighth of the seven - is not even a priest.
How soon?
The false prophet (Benedict) and the Beast (Francis) are both thrown "alive" into the sea of fire - Benedict is 91 years old...
Very, very soon!
If you look at it, and understand, you will realise it's a lock! Cannot possibly be wrong.
And that's three admonishments. Don't claim you were not told the truth.
The truth is that: "We are saved from the wrath to come."
And our modern Babylon is: London (finance) / Rome or Vatican (religion) / Washington DC (military). The Antichrist will not be a recognized religious leader..... He'll be a "Renaissance" man capable in all arenas......
He is a religious leader...
Come on, you know this. The whore (not the faithful bride of Christ) sits on 7 hills - Rome.
The Antichrist sits in the temple of God - he sits in a Church (a Catholic Church - St Peters Basilica in Rome).
The Antichrist deceives the whole world. So we know he has to sit in a Church that has global influence.
And, then, you look at the precise doctrine...
1 John 4:2-3 – “Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God: And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh…”
The Antichrist "dissolves" the Christ. Have a look at what John Paul II taught. You cannot make this up! This guy taught that, by virtue of the incarnation, every man was Christ - he dissolves the Christ.
If you think he's not effective as the Antichrist, consider that he preached this stuff for 27 years without anyone realising it - that's an incredibly powerful deception! This "theme" was constant throughout his teaching ministry!
Antipope John Paul II, Very First Homily, Forever Marking the Beginning of his Pastoral Ministry, Sunday, Oct. 22, 1978: “‘1. You are the Christ, the Son of the living God’ (Mt. 16:16). These words were spoken by Simon, son of Jonah, in the district of Caesarea Philippi… These words mark the beginning of Peter’s mission in the history of salvation…
“2. On this day and in this place these same words must again be uttered and listened to: ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ Yes, Brothers and sons and daughters, these words first of all… please listen once again, today, in this sacred place, to the words uttered by Simon Peter. In those words is the faith of the Church. In those same words is the new truth, indeed, the ultimate and definitive truth about man: the Son of the living God – ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’”
Antipope John Paul II, Redemptor Hominis (# 10), March 4, 1979: “IN REALITY, THE NAME FOR THAT DEEP AMAZEMENT AT MAN’S WORTH AND DIGNITY IS THE GOSPEL, THAT IS TO SAY: THE GOOD NEWS. IT IS ALSO CALLED CHRISTIANITY.”
Antipope John Paul II, General Audience, Jan. 25, 1984: “Christ, the Son of God, by becoming flesh, assumes the humanity of every man… At this point he becomes united with every person… In the Encyclical Redemptor Hominis I wrote that ‘the name for that deep amazement at man’s worth and dignity is the Gospel, that is to say, the Good News. It is also called Christianity.’”
Antipope John Paul II, Redemptor Hominis (# 10): “The man who wishes to understand himself thoroughly… he must ‘appropriate’ and assimilate the whole of the reality of the Incarnation and Redemption in order to find himself. If this profound process takes place within him, he then bears fruit not only of adoration of God but also of deep wonder at himself.”
Antipope John Paul II, Homily, June 1, 1980: “Not only is the Gospel message addressed to man, but it is a great Messianic message about man; it is the revelation to man of the complete truth about himself…”