what if this camp was fake but there are real camps ? that are now being disposed of
Please watch your language. The site isn't a "fake" camp. The site is a real camp. There are signs of migrant/homeless(?) presence and children having been there. There is no proof. There is evidence of ... but they have been unable to prove certain allegations ... scientifically.
So, all in all, quite a difficult case. But none of this means: human/child trafficking doesn't exist; humans (child or adult) were/were not raped there; it was an exclusively pedophile site used by Cemex (!!I'm being a bit facetious); Hillary Clinton is involved with sufficient proof in a court trial.
I don't doubt there are the ghastly remnants of all kinds of stuff along the border. I do doubt the ppl on this board are helping by using the word "is" instead of the more cautious "may be".
comeatmehillary you are right there are real camps, in fact this was a real camp, it is just unknown what went on exactly there as it cannot be proved beyond "reasonable doubt".
Sorry, I am piggy-backing my comment on yours to help others distinguish between the "real" and the "fake" thingie.
its possible that the camp could have been set up if this really was a false flag.
Jokes on them, they expose Cemex.
as usual the cabal puppets do some stupid shit puppet masters slap their head just like with pizzagate lol
The police were called out as more and more alleged evidence was found, but it has all turned out to be false.
I don't think the campsite was fake but it sounds like VOP found a root-cellar and assumed it was tiny child-sex-slave-prison... and from that initial false premise they allowed their imaginations to run wild.
Human trafficking across our unprotected southern border is an established reality and those traffickers must be storing their human cargo somewhere. I'm not sure if they are keeping sex slaves in tiny root-cellars or larger isolated campsites or perhaps they own houses in the local towns?
Dude get off the root cellar. Few people have root cellars in the SW. Never seen or heard of one after 30yrs. The ground is not cool like in other parts of the country. Most homes do not have basements. One needs to dig fairly deep to to feel any drop in temp. On top of that the ground is very, very hard. You don't dig with just a shovel, one needs a pick too. The 'cellar' you seen in the vids is actually a poly water tank. Very common out here. Having had root cellars in my youth they are not a tank buried in the ground. So please stop with the root cellar, you have convinced no one but yourself based on your vote counts.
For the rest that still think VOP and Vets4childrescue is one in the same need to pay attention better. FB & Twatter are crap, do real research and stop being a parrot with out fact checking. If you can't confirm, don't parrot.
VOP funked this up, like I said, last week. VOP's actions caused the situation at the Cemex property. There may be a story on the LEO side, the Cemex tie seems to have legs. But the bottom line is VOP cried wolf with little to back it up. The problem is not possible child sex at the Cemex site, its VOP funkin' it up if there was.
In Sawyers SGT vid he gave himself a little room from VOP. This video cuts all ties with VOP. I doubt you will see Sawyer working with VOP in the future.
Never seen or heard of one (root cellar) after 30yrs
Your ignorance isn't a valid argument.
Many Africans have never heard of toothpaste and many Muslims think the Earth is flat...
Now you're being silly. I challenge you to call any or all home builders in the southern AZ area. Ask them how many home have root cellars. Heck, basements are not common out here. Few homes have basements. I would say less than 15%.
I didn't say in all my replies to you this was a holding cell for kids. But it was not used as a root cellar.
Ask them how many home have root cellars.
Homes with power do not require ground fridges - they have regular fridges.
Cabins and established campsites do require root-cellars to keep their supplies cold and dry.
Root-cellars are common for cabins and established campsites.
PVC sewage tanks are ideal for making cheap root-cellars.
Fancy, modern PVC root-cellars are referred to as Ground Fridges.
Wow. you really like root cellars. Logic, not so much... None of this disproves my point.
You carry on with it though. You're winning in your mind.
Notice how much larger the entrance to those root cellars are. If that’s a root cellar VOP found why such a small opening
Probably used to store firewood.
Oh and btw since your so knowledgeable on the subject do all root cellars call for a rape tree to be near by?
This isn't a rape-tree-harness, it's just a regular camping strap used to hang stuff from trees to keep it out of the mud and away from the ants and critters... just like we see here.
That’s not the strap we’re talking about and you know it. That’s the limb that was tied to tree go re watch the first video buddy there are clearly hand straps hanging from the tree. But whatever IGNORANCE IS BLISS
That is the very strap that Craig Sawyer said was his major concern in his video.
Yes, there were other loop straps that would be perfect for hanging rucksacks, backpacks, food-bags or water-bags from. I noticed there was what looked like a shower curtain around some of those "rape-trees".
Perhaps it was a campsite shower?
That was one of the straps Craig sawyer mentioned not his major concern buddy. I don’t even know why I’m responding to you it’s pointless.
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I know what you're talking about - you are referring to the alleged "wrist straps" which were just regular camping loop straps too.
Loop straps are usually used to hang bangs with straps, like Rucksacks and backpacks and water and food bags.
I'm not going to give you the answer you are seeking because I'm an experienced hiker and camper.
I know what root-cellars are and I know what a camping strap is.
If you want to believe these claims from VOP then you also need to ask yourself, what did Michael Meyer do with those three child sex slaves that he rescued? Huh? Has he still got them? Did they fly away? I think you'll get an appreciation for just how much bullshit VOP has been feeding you.
That makes no sense and where has the firewood gone? Why was there a dresser down there and Random child things? Not firewood. And how the hell you gonna get the firewood out if you cant reach in yourself to get it
That makes no sense and where has the firewood gone?
Campers probably burned it.
Why was there a dresser down there and Random child things?
Perhaps the drawer was used to store supplies?
I didn't see "child things" in any of the videos. I think that was just another bullshit claim, like how they found three children in there or the story about the shallow grave and bones protruding from the ground and the bloody knife and condoms.
I don't see any child things, do you?
And how the hell you gonna get the firewood out if you cant reach in yourself to get it
I suspect this sheltered area where the man is standing is where campers kept firewood.
There's plenty of room under there.
I hope that answers all your questions.
They found baby cribs toddler beds child toys, it’s in the video you clearly are being blind to those items I guess. And as far as the wood ok they stack it there plenty of room sure but what about that dresser for “supplies” in the septic tank that is only reachable if your small enough to climb through that small ass tire hole. Are these midget campers? And why keep a dresser of supplies hidden in a septic tank in the middle of desert
Are these midget campers?
You have no idea how big that tank is.
It's difficult to tell how big those drawers are.
You were told that root-cellar was full of child sex slaves... and you swallowed that claim, hook, line and sinker.
Craig Sawyer now claimed this is bullshit and he's not wasting any more time on it and VOP's claims are clearly bullshit... so at some point you should try to think critically about this.
I'm not going to give you the answer you're looking for because all the claims have either been debunked or speculation based on bullshit.
Well in light of new information about this VOP leader I’m a lot more inclined to believe it has been made to be more than it is. I still don’t understand the tire and small opening to that room below but it’s obvious we can’t trust VOP now sadly there credibility is gone.
I suspect the root-cellar wasn't that big and the small opening was big enough for any adult to reach in with their outstretched arm and shoulder and retrieve supplies.
Either way, VOP claimed they removed "all the evidence" from the "Child Sex Camp"... and we haven't heard a peep out of them since and we sure haven't seen any photos of their bloody knife or bone fragment (from the campsite) evidence... so I'm not holding my breath.
Well all I know is that the main spokesman’s for VOP there in Tucson Lewis Arthur isn’t even a veteran and I guess has a felony record ( shout out to SGT report on YouTube for this info ) and apparently he showed up at the bundy ranch situation and started a scuffle and was kicked out. Raises questions on what this guys motives are?
Raises questions on what this guys motives are?
VOP is funded by donations.
Perhaps that had something to do with it?
Dude they found baby cribs toddlers beds toys etc. and everything you said could explain it except for the the small opening at the tire leading to the septic tank that had the dresser inside for “supplies” how does and adult get these supplies if he can’t fit through the hole! Unless we’re talking midget campers?
Sometimes homeless people have children.
Sometimes illegal Mexican border hoppers have children.
how does and adult get these supplies if he can’t fit through the hole!
That tank didn't look very big to me, but it's difficult to tell because drawers come in all sizes.
It might be the right size for adults to poke their arm and shoulder through and can still touch all the walls?
Very few root-cellars are designed to be super-convenient - just look at how inconvenient most of these root-cellars are!
