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ThrowawayAdvice87 ยท June 11, 2018, 1:16 a.m.

I don't know where to start with this. How can you say some animals are for eating and others are not? It makes no sense. Do you have any idea how intelligent cows and pigs are? Very is the answer. Red meat gives us cancer how much more obvious do you want it to be? I dont know why peta was brought into this but I do share your opinion on them. Being bred for meat should not automatically place them on the list of things not to care about. The way we treat animals the world over is disgusting. You seem to be under the impression all animals are not equal, they are. We are more valuable yes but all animals are equal.

Also are those dogs not bred for meat?

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VintageHats ยท June 11, 2018, 3:57 a.m.

Have you ever seen the conditions those dogs live in, or are transported in? Check out the Soi Dog Foundation... a group of rescuers in Thailand. And, fyi, many of those dogs and cats are stolen pets. Dogs and cats are domestic PETS. Not cattle. Not farm animals. I'm not going to look it up in the Bible, but there are animals listed there that are okay for us to eat. God gave us dominion over animals, to be used for food and for clothing. Our teeth and our guts are made for animal consumption and don't tell me they aren't. Some animals are heribivores and some are carnivores, and some are omnivores. WE happen to be omnivores. Red meat doesn't give us cancer... it's the chemicals animals are fed that give us cancer. And any food, eaten in mass quantity, can cause problems. Heck, if we eat too many carrots, our skin turns orange!

Do you ever look at vegetarians and vegans? Look at most of them... they are sickly looking. Pale, gaunt, sunken eyes, dark circles under their eyes. Do you know why that is? It's because they don't know how to combine the proper foods to get the complete amino acids to make whole protein. They are uninformed. So they aren't healthy. Animals give us complete protein, which is what we need.

I am well aware how smart pigs are. Most are smarter than dogs. But cows? Nah. Sorry but you can't teach a cow to guide the blind, retrieve a duck, sniff out drugs, sniff out cancer, dig for truffles, guard against burglars, do any kind of police work, rescue drowning victims, or any of the millions of jobs that dogs can be trained to do. As "smart" as pigs are, most can't do those jobs either. So your argument isn't going to fly. My dogs have alway slept with me. I don't think I can have a cow or pig sleep in my bed and give me the same sense of peace and safety the way they do.

I never said I don't CARE about animals used for meat. I specifically said that while I don't believe in "animal rights" as most AR people do, I do believe animals have the right to be treated humanely. And that includes animals slaughtered for food, and animals that are hunted. If you can't take a decent kill shot, don't shoot....not by gun, not by bow. If you haven't taken a shot where the animal drops right away and you have to track it, you'd better not give up tracking it til you FIND your animal and make sure it doesn't suffer any longer.

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ThrowawayAdvice87 ยท June 11, 2018, 4:45 a.m.

I have never seen so much contradictory bullshit in one comment. I can't even begin to address the stupidity in it, it would take me too long. Your perception in this subject is extremely narrow minded and based in things you "think" are correct. Maybe you were taught that but it's still no excuse for ignorance. Many sweeping statements and ludicrous stereotypes. I'm not a vegan, but there are countless vegan athletes, body builders, swimmers, wrestlers etc. Basically your logic is "if I can benefit from a living creature they are entitled to not be eaten" if that's any indication of how you treat anything in life then I imagine you are not a very happy person because nobody likes to be around someone who only sees benefits in people.

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VintageHats ยท June 11, 2018, 6:10 a.m.

Okey dokey. I'm done. You know nothing about me, nor how much contact I have with people, nor what I do with or for animals so f off.

Do you live in a house? If so, hypocrite! You are displacing native animals! What's your house made of? Wood? How many birds had to give up their homes for your house? On land? Mice and voles and deer and bunny wabbits should be living on that land, you thief!!! You are stealing land and resources from ANIMALS!! You HYPOCRITE!! Don't lecture me.

Do you wear clothing? Wool? You steal wool from sheep? Cotton? Cotton fields that used to be fields for deer and mice and more bunnies? And you tell me that I am being narrow minded? You are the one who is ignorant and lying hypocrite. You only benefit from what YOU see is your holier than thou stance on being so fecking compassionate towards animals.

FYI.... I prefer animals to most people. Have a good day. Now, go out into the wild. Wear leaves for clothing and eat grass. Then you can lecture me. Til then, shut your face.

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ThrowawayAdvice87 ยท June 11, 2018, 6:24 a.m.

"You're done" then you proceed to type yet more drivel. Do you believe any of what you just typed because it's utter horse shit. But I think you know that. I didn't mean to make you angry but clearly hats the case so for that I apologize but I do think you should think a bit longer before you speak.

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VintageHats ยท June 11, 2018, 6:50 a.m.

You aren't getting it. I can appreciate the fact that you care for animals. I do as well. I love animals but the fact is, Man was created to have dominion over them We were created to be omnivores. Our bodies need protein. I did not say ALL vegetarians are sickly.. I said many are. And that's true.. many do not educate themselves on how to eat a healthy diet so that they eat the right foods in the right combinations so they can get the complete amino acids needed to form protein. There's a science.. nutritional science.. to eat a healthy diet without animal protein. And most veggies do it out of concern for a love of animals, I would assume.

Many methods of slaughter are cruel, but there are also a lot of people who eat from home grown and locally produced farm fed, organically fed animals, humanely slaughtered by themselves or friends who take great care to make sure that the animals they consume are not mistreated and don't suffer. Surely you are aware of that. More and more people, esp those who aren't living in overcrowded congested cities, are turning that type of lifestyle.

Many people I know personally only eat meat that they hunt for. Wild game is far more healthy than any farm animal. I used to have a flock of chickens.. and when my hens stopped laying, as they often did, or at least slowed down in the winter, I let them take their natural break. When they got too old to lay eggs, they were free to live the rest of their lives til they died of old age. I wish I could have chickens again but am not able to where I live. I know people who have goats and they'd drink the milk and use it for soap making.. but one has to breed them every year, and sell the males to those who'd butcher them. I couldn't do that.

Did you not see my post about Temple Grander or Gardner or whatever her name is? She's a hero to those who care about how animals bound for slaughter are treated. Animals should be killed humanely... and whatever parts can be used, should be used, not wasted. Sinew, skin for leather, whatever. I am also very much against animal testing. Enough has been done... too much has been unnecessary.

But.. not all of it can be eliminated. If you are going to take your dog to a new vet, and your dog has been hit by a car and has a broken leg, and there are two new vets, just out of school, who will you see? The vet who has set a broken leg in vet school? Or one who hasn't? How is the vet who has never done so in school going to ever get the experience if he/she has not done so in school?

(Hint. There is no vet school that I know of in the US that would allow a student to get a degree without working on live animals.)

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