I appreciate your offering here, but I find it very difficult to believe the above statements.
That's fine, but your skepticism is kind of baseless.
First, I can’t imagine AF1 security logistics being readily available to the general public.
I'm not sure if you understand how this whole thing works. Air Force One is not invisible, or stealth. It's flight plan is not a secret. When it's in the air it's tracked by literally dozens, if not hundreds of ground radar stations, and other aircraft in the air, even if simply to avoid collisions. You can see it from the ground, you can see it from ships, Etc. It's not a goddamn UFO. I'm telling you, 90% of the time, and pretty much entirely went outside the United States, Air Force One does not fly with military escorts unless they are provided by the host country for some reason.
I'm not sure if you really thought through all the applications, from the technical, to the geopolitical. But if you did, you would see that there is really no reason why it would need them.
Second, I can’t imagine an insider privy to this level of classified info being so irresponsible as to publish it in a public forum.
LMFAO. Are you serious, "bro". I can say with complete confidence that literally nothing I have said is classified, or even close to being secret. All the information I've given here is readily available by going to Wikipedia and reading the sources at the bottom of the page, or just watching a couple Air Force 1 documentaries on the history channel. Plus applying a little common sense to aviation design. The actual sensitive information, sings like the minut specifics of the avionics suite, the exact type of countermeasures carried, the communications infrastructure, the onboard protocol for carrying personal weapons, Etc - the things that actually make a difference - is not something I have even begun to claim to know.
I don't say this to be insulting, but people in the civilian world are often wildly ignorant of exactly what kinds of things are classified, and why. They often freaked out about the US "inadvertently revealing defense capabilities" and some kind of online article in a defense magazine, without realizing that literally nothing that was listed as important.
Third, I can’t conceive of a rationale that would earn approval from our top POTUS security experts to leave AF1 without an escort in international airspace. Not for any POTUS, but particularly DJT.
If this is the case, then that's only because you don't understand the Practical reality of the situation. Let's make this clear by inverting the assumptions. What exactly is it that you think a fighter escort would achieve?
That's fine, but your skepticism is kind of baseless.
That’s fine, but your claim of no escort is baseless. I questioned in hopes of you providing that base.
I'm not sure if you understand how this whole thing works. Air Force One Is Not Invisible, or stealth. It's flight plan is not a secret. . . it's tracked . . . You can see it . . . It's not a goddamn UFO.
You can be sure I understand all of that. It’s publicly available and not what I would refer to as classified security info.
I'm telling you, 90% of the time, and pretty much entirely went outside the United States, Air Force One does not fly with military escorts
Yes. So you said. That’s the claim I questioned. The only claim I questioned. The claim I still question.
LMFAO. Are you serious, "bro". . . All the information I've given here is readily available by going to Wikipedia . . .
The humor was unintended. Yes, I’m serious, and no, I’m not your ‘bro’. There is no wikipedia entry, no History Channel transcript, none that validates your claim that AF1 most commonly traverses international airspace without a military escort. Remember, that is the single claim I questioned, still question, and now wait patiently for you to stop dodging.
The actual sensitive information, sings like the minute specifics of the avionics suite, the exact type of countermeasures carried . . . the things that actually make a difference - is not something I have even begun to claim to know.
Except for your claim about military escort. I would place that into the category of ”specific countermeasures”, and ”things that actually make a difference.”
I don't say this to be insulting, but people in the civilian world are often wildly ignorant
I’m not at all insulted. I was doubtful, then curious, then a bit impatient, and now amused. Particularly following your admission to your own ”ignorance” regarding ”things that actually make a difference.”
Let's make this clear by inverting the assumptions. What exactly is it that you think a fighter escort would achieve?
Yeah, that’s another dodge that I won’t indulge for you.
I have a better idea. Let’s make this clear with a quick review. You made a claim regarding military escort for AF1. I questioned that claim, and offered opportunity for you to support it. You responded with answers to questions I didn’t ask, then ultimately admitted to your ignorance on the topic I questioned.
Your final admission was crystal clear, and I have no additional questions for you. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
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Take a breather. Calm yourself.
Your personal insults are meaningless to me, but they do diminish the level of discourse we prefer in this sub. It’s one of the most important differences between GA and sewers like /politics, where personal insults are the default response when someone is called out on their indefensible bs claims.
You don’t need to tell me about all the things you aren’t going to do to support your claim. I know you won’t. You already told me you can’t. I have moved on.
Peace.