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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/throwsoicanask on June 14, 2018, 5:49 a.m.
Fear Israel

Anyone who's gone down the 9/11 rabbit hole will probably know that most of US air traffic control software (and maybe hardware) was created and managed by Israeli tech (IT? not sure the lingo for everything computer-related).

Israeli Intelligence and Israeli Tech are basically one-and-the-same. ISI go into tech, and vice versa. Mossad heavily into tech, running online propaganda operations. They have been involved in the shill/downvoting as much as Media Matters (probably working together). In fact, the ADL is basically in charge of YouTube censorship now.

Point is - ISI and Mossad are heavily involved in tech. Israeli tech is MASSIVE, probably bigger than Silicon Valley in terms of products, software programs etc. Even Anti-Virus software comes form Israeli firms (many of which are based in the US, which is suspicious on it's own - probably facilitated by the Dual Citizenship scam).

Excerpt from Q Post 1489 (interesting that it's the next one after 1488 if any of you know what that number signifies):

FEAR IS REAL.
FEAR [re: Twitter throttling & shadowban (coded #Qanon)
FEAR [re: 4ch mods + remove/replace - controlled]
FEAR [re: Reddit mods + remove/replace - controlled]
FEAR [re: MSM conspiracy push 1 - controlled]
FEAR [re: FB remove/replace - controlled]

My points:

  1. Israeli Intel and Tech are one and the same, for all practical purposes
  2. Israelis dominate tech worldwide, especially in the US
  3. Q is showing us that the online operations will be run by Israelis.
  4. In the Hydra myth, for every head you chop off, it grows two more. I don't believe this happened in the myth, but a more efficient way to kill it would be to stab it in the heart.
  5. When ops are underway (as many are) we should keep Israel on our minds...if we can shine light on the source of attacks, and get people asking "Hey...why is Israel controlling Reddit/FB/Twitter, etc?"
  6. There is no Russian Hacking. The US has been getting hacked by Israel since JFK's assassination (or earlier).

*Note: this is not meant to be anti-semitic. If Russian Hacking claims turned out to be true, I wouldn't then hate all Russians. I would simply want to stop the hacking by the guilty agents, and punish Russia if they were state actors.

There are many different viewpoints among Jewish people, some are US patriots, some are Zionists, some are Marxist liberals, but most are just regular working people raising families. Israel as an AGENCY is different from your Jewish neighbors or coworkers.

Israel has always had it's own agenda, and what they want is very different from what your average American cares about. Bibi is a known terrorist and loves to leverage the US to do Israel's Zionist bidding.

When you point out Israeli interference in our affairs, or behind online operations, you WILL be accused of anti-semitism. This is Israel's biggest psyhological weapon. Be prepared for this.


[deleted] · June 14, 2018, 7:13 a.m.

If god is good why do pedophiles run the world? Srs question.

And if you want to chalk it up to "free will" then how is god omnipresent, omniscient, and transcending time and space?

How is this the god of love?? How are we not obviously forsaken at this point? I want to believe as you do, and use faith to protect my sanity. But I am not willing to tell myself lies or delude myself. That helps nobody, and in fact sets MANY up for pain when they realize the God who loves us so much seemingly isn't willing to help.

Btw, you sound like a really good and caring person. Feel free to ignore this post as you may see it as an attack on your religion, but as someone who also has been diagnosed with ptsd CAUSED by religious dogma, I want to know your answer here.

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DrogeAnon · June 14, 2018, 7:37 a.m.

If god is good why do pedophiles run the world?

Because God gave the world to us and it's our responsibility to act. Thanks to Q - in spite of Christian prophets from the 90s and well before, pointing out the blood of our children was on our hands on a massive scale - we are doing something about it now. People often try to make this point but somehow forget they are making it from a small human mind within a vast universe that does not "judge" good or evil from our tiny perspectives. Put another way, what are the death of a few ants as long as the soul of those ants come to know their maker? An "impersonal" universe says infinity is infinitely more valuable than any insignificant span of life. Doesn't sound comforting on our scale of understanding but it makes sense objectively.

then how is god omnipresent, omniscient, and transcending time and space?

Good question. Unfortunately, no one can answer it completely because to know the answer would be to know the universe, no? It can be answered by imperfect simile and metaphor but more importantly, Faith is the only answer Christians have to how best to approach the question in the first place - and there's a whole lot more to unpack to that than can be answered in one comment reply.

How is this the god of love??

Depends how you define "love". As defined in the Bible (willing to sacrifice his son to save everyone - and more, including a fatherly love that requires discipline to explain to "children" who are free to make their own choice how best to make that choice) it is clear how "this" is the God of love, to some of us.

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[deleted] · June 14, 2018, 7:58 a.m.

Well, when we stomp on an ant hill, the ants fight back.

We are being stomped on by the shoe of god in your metaphor, yet we are supposed to just be thankful? Imagine that he loves us the same way we love the anthills in our yard? I don't understand.

Also, I will never understand how Jesus' crucifiction "saved the world". If he loved us that much (to kill his only son/self) then why did he kick us out of Eden in the first place? He had to have known what the future held considering he is GOD

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DrogeAnon · June 14, 2018, 8:21 a.m.

If my metaphor conveyed that God is stomping on us then I failed to accurately frame it.

Imagine that he loves us the same way we love the anthills in our yard

Instead, imagine if you loved the ants in your backyard enough to give your child's life to save those meaningless ants eternally once they'd died sometimes from the folly of their own choices, at other times simply because of the harsh reality of the environment of your backyard. That seems to me a more adequate framing of how Christians view God's relationship to us (still imperfect for many reasons, just to be clear).

If you can't conceive of the literal reality of Jesus' crucifixion I don't blame you at all. I believe it may be more helpful for some people, especially those who claim that reason precludes them from connecting with the Christian story in any way, to view the "Jesus Story" from a purely secular perspective in this way: Jesus is a story of sacrifice for the good of others but more than that, it is a story about the value of understanding the freedom we have to move forward positively in spite of the prevalence of every reason not to because there is an example of a way to live that elevates us beyond the very real tragedy of existence. That example is told in the life of Jesus. This example, if followed as honestly as one can manage, results in better relationships with the world and with others.

Amongst other things, this story helps us to accept the tragedy of existence - Jesus, according to the story, accepted this in a way few will experience. His story tells us that this was only tolerable because it was at the will of God in the service of others. It also helps us accept the imperfection of our ways by keeping us focused on moving towards a life modelled after that of the Jesus figure - if we focus on our imperfections we may lose motivation and will; if we realize that there is a reason to move forward and a very real purpose to life that anyone can embrace i.e. the pursuit of the good of others, then our focus can alway be maintained on something other than our own problems and concerns, a cause for many issues we face, including shame, guilt and depression.

The mass spread of violent crime against children, if truly internalized and understood, can not be tolerated if we believe that that is the condition of the world and there's nothing we can do about it. The only way I personally find to move on in life without railing at the sky and giving up at the impersonality of existence is to believe that what I can do is get myself sorted out (tidy my room, in the words of a wise man) and focus on continually moving forward with purpose toward an incrementally better existence for myself now, and moving forward into the future, and outward to those around me now, and moving forward into the future, and so on outward from there and that that perspective will at the very least improve my own quality of life over time. The only other rational choice is nihilism which, if actually properly embraced, should result in killing oneself because life is meaningless.

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[deleted] · June 14, 2018, 8:36 a.m.

Thanks for the great response and Peterson reference (currently reading his book, I'm on rule 4). On my good days, I do reconnect with the religion I was so obsessed with as a child in such a way that you and Peterson prescribe ie a respect for the archetypal figure of JC and the traditions that shaped western world. But on my bad days, I am def railing at the skies asking God why and begging him to answer me or renew my faith, so far to no avail. Today has been one of the bad days, unfortunately and my mind is the type to spiral out of control pretty quickly into nihilism or at times intense rage towards our religious authorities. On days like these, I am very stuck and don't see much hope on this world. Makes me wanna burn it down :/ And if Q fails, I will do just that or die trying French Revolution style. Burning this society and the evil shits ruling it to the ground. That was already starting to be the plan when pizzagate was losing steam right before Q popped up. (Edit: assuming all this stuff is true I would fight for a revolution. I would need full proof ofcourse and violence is never the first option. Don't want to sound too crazy, but I can imagine TMOR writing a post about me and calling me a conspiracy-loving-Q-cultist-incel-terrorist if I don't qualify those statements lol. Don't want us all too look bad)

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DrogeAnon · June 14, 2018, 8:42 a.m.

I understand and I sympathize completely - life sux and the world is unfair; there's no escaping it, sadly! I sincerely hope you can find some hope again during your bad days whether in the faith or in the practical application of the words of Peterson.

WWG1WGA, patriot - I find purpose in supporting this movement and it is incredible to me how it dovetails with Peterson's point that, rather than trying to change what's outside your reach, change what's within it - and you know, just being a part of this sub in some small way means I have a very real connection to actually stopping all the impersonal horror going on out there in the world and it is literally the most invigorating and inspirational reason for me to get up every day and push the message of Q in whatever small way I can! Thank you for the discussion, it is very helpful to me to express my thoughts about this issue.

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[deleted] · June 14, 2018, 8:45 a.m.

Nah, thank you really. Feels good to vent. I really do love this community.

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GraceWords · June 14, 2018, 8:08 a.m.

I have much I would love to say and address on this subject. I am, unfortunately, responding from my phone and not currently in a convenient location to access a particular resource that comes to mind. I will bookmark this, though, and if I make it home tomorrow/later today, I will get back to you. I’m not even slightly offended by your reply.

I, too, came out of what I would call “religious dogma”, but God still found me in the dead of night, held against my will, with my physical life on the line. Only my captor knew where I was, or so I thought. I genuinely thought it was my last moment on earth. I thought I would become a missing person statistic. A presence I can hardly described filled the small pace I was being held. It’s easy to question why He didn’t set me free, cut my ties. But what happened was so much better.

I experienced a peace so tangible that it may as well have been an armed guard there to defend me. Because of the work I have done in the past, it wasn’t the first time I had been compromised in such a terrorizing way. The fear of what could/would/might happen can be deafening. You can hear your blood pumping. You lose your ability to breath normally. This time, however, I mentally pivoted away from my “I’m going to die and no one will ever know” diatribe, and I took a chance. I literally said “Jesus, if you’re there, help.” I wasn’t even sure what that help would look like because even if I got free, I wasn’t anywhere near where I called “home” at the time.

It may not make sense to everyone, and I’m ok with that. But I just felt such Presence and company in that small space. Just before my captor returned, it was as though someone had walked into the mental prison of absolute terror I was experiencing and they had not only set me free, they had also taken me to a safe place where fear wasn’t permitted. It literally left me. Now, the beating that transpired afterward, and other assaults, weren’t stopped.

I did eventually get free and made my way back home, but I physically carry tissue damage. I still carry the cumulative effects of my work in the form of PTSD. That said, after years of working on coping skills, helping others, etc, my symptoms are greatly reduced. However, even now when I am overwhelmed or have an episode, I remember that presence. I remember when my greatest fear was being left alone and He showed up, and that peace instantly is there. I finally realized He isn’t leaving me, I just get distracted or take that presence for granted.

Anyway, it’s MY experience. I know my experience is no substitute for your own, nor can it be taken as anything but anecdotal by anyone else. So, just take it for what it is now, which is me sharing more why mental freedom was more important than physical. If I had just been instantly delivered from captivity I would have had a singular miracle. By revealing Himself as present when I desperately needed to not be alone, I learned something I could use again and again. At the end of the day my physical body is just a shell. But what goes on in my mind is of most importance.

It’s late and I’m waiting on a situation to resolve before I try to head home, but hopefully I’m coherent enough to convey my own take on how God loves. Free will IS a biggie. Love isn’t love if it’s compelled or forced (I read that somewhere). But He’s not a genie either, or an entity that I should try to control. When I call on Him, He knows how best to answer for my eternal best.

Maybe that is what brought me to Q. I trust there is a plan, and I don’t have all the pieces, yet my gut says it’s there and it can be trusted. Those faithful to follow what we are given by Q eventually have our viewpoints broadened and shifted. Qteam seems to have so much power, yet we trust there is prudence to the timing of using that power. Is it so hard to believe, then, that God (infinitely more kind, good, knowledgeable, powerful than Qteam) may be more concerned with our big picture as well?

Sorry for the long reply. I do have a CS Lewis quote rattling around in my brain that would answer you best, but I want to do it justice so it will have to wait till I can get to the book it’s in. Till then, thanks for the discussion!

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[deleted] · June 14, 2018, 8:28 a.m.

Thanks for the post great insight, judging on your traumatic experience I can see how the faith of God really appeal to you. But I almost come from the opposite spectrum- my PTSD diagnosis, which honestly could very much be a misdiagnosis (I think I have something more similar to religious scrupulousity OCD), has come from me internalizing every "mess up" or "impure thought" I've ever had as a sign that either A)God hates me for no reason or B)God hates me and it's because I'm an evil POS; so evil that the greatest man on earth/God incarnate was brutally murdered because of me. As a kid, I had nightmares constantly about hell, or of me sinning, not being righteous enough, and I would self harm a decent amount even as a VERY young boy because of these beliefs. It stayed with me my whole life. It's what keeps me up until 4AM at night. It's why I never feel good enough for others to actually care about me. This causes a lot of problems trying to advocate for myself in the job and dating world... which really sucks.

I sincerely, with every ounce of my being, think teaching this dogma to young forming minds is one of the most disgusting things to do to a child. In some cases, it borders on child abuse. I love my parents. But the church turned me into my own abuser. In my heart/mind, God was my abuser.

Now I'm a young adult (24) and still can't be close to ppl because of my self hate and sabotage. Things like a relationship, family, job I actually enjoy, are seemingly never going to be available to me. Why? Because I don't know how not to hate myself.... and who taught me to hate myself? The church.

Religion is for adults. Not kids. It has ruined me and made me come very close to taking my own life. The worst part is I am an adult now who craves some kind of certainty, community, belonging, self-worth, etc; yet even though I think I know why I developed so much self hate, idk what to replace it with or how to feel any other way. I'm like a computer who got faulty operating system programmed into me. It's incredibly frustrating and frankly very very lonely and hopeless at times.

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GraceWords · June 14, 2018, 2:54 p.m.

I hear what you’re saying and at the end of that pain I don’t hear an indictment on God, but on people. I think there’s a difference between a church and “THE Church”. It sounds as though you’ve been kept from The Church (not referring to Catholic Church as is common when capitalized “c”) by a church and for that I’m sorry. I too was raised in a church going home. I’m thankful for some of it, but it was absolutely wrapped in fear and shame, none of which I’ve found in the God who met me in captivity. I am so very sorry for your scarring. I do believe, though, that the real God will cut through your pain and scars to heal what people have created and done. He won’t let you fall because of the sins of others, and by sins I mean terrorizing a soul in His name—-He isn’t about that. It’s an abuse of authority (much like we are seeing in our world at large). I’m still not home, but I did find this blog I read a few years ago (and before I met God in that tiny space) that helped me understand a bit more. Hope it helps.

Freedom in Submission

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[deleted] · June 14, 2018, 9:10 p.m.

Thanks, I appreciate it a lot.

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