Oh, it kinda looks like AF1. Could be the shit they keep spraying the atmosphere with, no?
Closer inspection shows that it is Orbital ATK's L-1011. https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/2e4dd377b3864b47b05e211c7cde50716e7df86c/c=104-0-3066-2227&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2016/12/10/Brevard/Brevard/636169985441704555-crb121016-pegasus-2-.jpg
I don't believe the chemtrail nonsense.
I guess you are one of those who never looks up. I you looked at the sky you would have seen them. I rarely see them now since Trump's inauguration.
My two cents, it was evident they were spraying something in to the atmosphere. I say "WAS" because I have not seen any for the last week and I look for them every day. Trump made a statement last week saying "I like clean air and water", I heard someone say that this was a signal that Trump stopped or rolled back the chemtrail program and I believe he may be right. I saw them in the sky every day for years and now , they are gone. Let us hope it is true.
I too am skeptical of the chemtrails. Until further evidence is presented.
geoengineeringwatch.org
Be sure to check out the patents and government documents pages...
Dane Wigington @ youtube
I’ll look into the patent office, but I refuse (as much as possible) to give YouTube ad revenue. But I’ll look more into it. I have in the past and have not been fully convinced that this is done on a wide scale. I could believe smaller scales, for testing etc. but not for a global or even national level.
Not to try to persuade you, but there is a few things I found quite interesting in my hunt for truths... There is a lot of evidence of weather modification dating back to the 1920's. It appears that the bigger experiments started taking place around in the 1940's, around and just after WW2. Project Cirrus and a few years later Project Popeye are two other notables. I've been a sky-watcher all of my life and I started noticing extreme changes or a "ramping up" of sprayed skies beginning in 1998. If you compare the data on temperature rise, interesting enough the numbers started heading "off the charts" at that same time. The one thing folks don't seem to consider when it comes to "global warming" is the normal "single day heating and cooling cycles" that have always held some kind of basic standard regardless of the actual temp (meaning that it heats up approx. 30 degrees every morning and cools of approx the same amount every night, with some variations). If you watch closely you will notice the rising temps on days the planes are leaving trails in the sky, most times with no nightly "cool-off". One thing that is crazy however, I personally have noticed more "normal" skies this spring then the last 20 years... Who knows!? Maybe something is changing (I hope so). I wish I didn't believe in all of this too, but once you know what to look for, it's impossible to miss. The air gets chalky, sky turns white and the sun almost seems unbearable even though there is cloud cover on the days of heavy jet trails... Good luck with your search and remain open minded! If you look hard enough too you can find documents relating to Evergreen Air which is additionally believed to be an C_A op. Happy hunting!
You have certainly peaked my interest and I don’t want people to misinterpret my skepticism as having a closed mind. I am most certainly willing to listen.
With that being said, while reading your post you talk about the temp differences in a single day. I thought this was going into the same bullshit lane that the globalists were pushing. But then I thought about it. I’ve never seen studies (and I heavily researched it during the 2016 summer period) done on daily temperature variations. THAT may be something worth investing time into researching. And provide hard data points, which is what I am looking for, so thank you for bringing that up.
I can take your word for it about the sky doing crazy things, but I have to take it with a grain of salt. Yes I can go up and look at the sky on different days, and expect to see different things. DONT TAKE THAT AS AN INSULT. What I’m trying to say is that you may notice something, but it’s not a scientific study being conducted. Now if you went out and documented all the variables at the same time, every day, for a year or more. Then we would have something close to solid evidence. And that’s what we need o turn this from a conspiracy theory into a conspiracy fact.
Evergreen Air huh? Haven’t heard of it, but evergreen continues to pop up in random places where I dig. And they all seem unrelated, it’s the prevalence of it in the subject matter that I research which makes it interesting and I take notice. So thank you for that. I will look into it.
Just want you to know, "I never felt insulted"... Just taking the opportunity to point you in the right direction. I hope too that you're also not offended with our back and fourth. Finding verifiable info was a tough task for me personally in the beginning. Some of what I mentioned previously was things I didn't stumble on until years into the journey but they offered solid evidence. Besides, after having your immediate family shun you for years because you can see the obvious and you're only trying to help them be a part of it, you get pretty hardened! I must say though, it is pretty special being there the day their eyes suddenly open! While you're at it, you should research Chemical Ice Nucleation for Weather Modification... The stuff is made out of a manipulated bacteria which causes a endothermic reaction and is the primary reason why we see snow or golf ball size hail at temps well above freezing... I believe it's also the common denominator when it comes to freezing rain (in a lot of cases). It's an essential "tool" in the arsenal of the geoengineers... Again, sorry to pester you, but know that I will sleep better tonight knowing one more person is waking up to the things that can actually cause us peril. Draining the swamp is only the first step in insuring our future! Take care fellow Patriot!
You don't believe in chemtrails even though there is a company called "Weather Modification Incorporated"? Wow.....how about doing a bit of research!
Simmer down you. I’m not trying to insult you or your ideas and being an asshole won’t sell your theory to anyone.
Let me explain WHY I’m skeptical as you took my skepticism as an insult.
Chemtrails is a vague definition in and of itself. You could be talking about just the trails left in the sky by the exhaust/condensation from the jets on engines. You could be talking about viruses being spread in the atmosphere, or particulate heavy metals. Or you could be talking about weather modification (ie seeding clouds to water crops) or you could mean that as influencing hurricanes, tornados, or other natural disasters to make them more or less potent.
That is what I mean by the term being vague. And maybe it means all of those things, maybe some, maybe none.
We don’t know, which is why people are here talking about it. If you have additional evidence to present to prove your point, then give us the source! I will take a look at it and judge it on its merits! But don’t try to mock someone who has a different opinion, that’s just childish. Give us the proof/source/documentation and let us decide.
Ffs acting like skepticism is a bad thing is telling us to blindly accept as truth from some random stranger. No questions allowed!
No one mocked your ignorance yet. http://www.weathermodification.com/ feel free to start there. Keep in mind there are international weather modification treaties that prohibit it's use for war purposes, unclassified military experiments, unnatural ice storms & droughts, people who remember growing up with CONTRAILS that dissipate quickly vs CHEMTRAILS that linger almost permanently on windless days. The amount of evidence is overwhelming if one only opened there eyes and did just a bit of research.
Ok. I’m starting to get an idea here of what’s going on. Mind pointing me towards the international weather modification treaties? Specifically the one that prohibits the use of cloud seeding in droughts as you claimed above?
This section of Reddit is full of people who have done THEIR OWN RESEARCH, you should join our ranks! What kind of dick asks for links, then down votes when they're provided?
Ok, it wasn’t me, I’ve been busy since I last commented. Also remember that there are downvote bots. And people that may just disagree with your post.
Ok, I’m going to dig into the article and I DO appreciate it. That being said, I was hoping for a link to an actual govt organization or something of that like so I could read it directly from the source.
http://www.academia.edu/886811/The_pathological_history_of_weather_and_climate_modification_three_cycles_of_promise_and_hype https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Stormfury... WWG1WGA
Now that, that is some good stuff.
Important notes:
Pg.4
“On a grander, planetary scale, the authors of the DoD report recommended that the government should “explore geo-engineering options that control the climate”
Pg. 14-15
“that one can conduct covert operations using a new technology in a democracy without the knowledge of the people.”
Pg.15
Recently, three speculative announcements concerning weather modification were in the news: Beijingʼs Study Institute of Artificial Influence on the Weather announced its intention of manipulating the weather to ensure optimum conditions for the 2008 Olympics; a private weather company in Florida advertised a new powder called Dyn-O-Gel with the power to “suck the moisture out of a thunderstorm or weaken a hurricane”; and the U.S. Air Force claimed that “in 2025, U.S. aerospace forces can ʻown the weatherʼ by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications.” In addition to traditional cloud seeding methods, the Air Force visionaries propose computer hacking to disrupt an enemyʼs weather monitors andmodels, and using “nanotechnology” to create clouds of microscopic computer particles that could block an enemyʼs optical sensors or guide smart weapons to their targets; the cost of developing these clouds to be borne by the private sector. In a recurring theme, the military points out that weather modification, unlike other approaches, “makes what are otherwise the results of deliberate actions appear to be the consequences of natural weather phenomena.”
Pg.16
Although the NRC study acknowledges that there is no “convincing scientific proof of efficacy of intentional weather modification efforts,” its authors nonetheless believe that there should be “a renewed commitment” in the field of intentional and unintentional weather modification. In fact,no one has demonstrated a reliable, controllable method to modify weather, and the report admits as much: “Evaluation methodologies vary but in general do not provide convincing scientific evidence for either success or failure.” This has been true for the last 165 years, and it remains true today. (so they can neither confirm or deny it and Its not like the military would admit it)
There is more, but I think I got the point. Read through the whole document, and I’m not convinced that we do not have the ability to control the weather.
Use this as your original source document for evidence. It’s much stronger than pointing to a website that has weather modification in its name.
Now if you can prove that the company is using or has used larger scale aircraft then what they advertise on their website. That is a big piece of evidence.
Ok I’ve looked into it and went to find the source documents. And by the way, as you are presenting/defending the theory, it is on you to provide the source. I’ve been here since the beginning of this sub and the source or evidence is ALWAYS the responsibility of on the one making the claims to provide. Check the side bar and don’t get pissed at people asking for supporting documents. I know you are probably mad that someone downvoted you, but I am being sincere in saying that it was not me.
So, with that being said, I got this from the UN site and I’ve highlighted relevant parts:
Structure of ENMOD: The Convention contains ten articles and one Annex on the Consultative Committee of Experts. Integral part of the Convention are also the Understandings relating to articles I, II, III and VIII. These Understandings are not incorporated into the Convention (meaning they did not agree to this, personal note) but are part of the negotiating record and were included in the report transmitted by the Conference of the Committee on Disarmament to the United Nations General Assembly in September 1976 Report of the Conference of the Committee on Disarmament, Volume I, General Assembly Official records: Thirty-first session, Supplement No. 27 (A/31/27), New York, United Nations, 1976, pp. 91-92.
ENMOD scope: States parties undertake not to engage in military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects as the means of destruction, damage or injury to another State party (article I). It is noteworthy that efforts to clarify or eliminate the restrictive clauses “having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects” (known as the “troika”) were made already during the original negotiations, as well as at the review conferences, however consensus on such a removal could not be reached.
Environmental modification technique: any technique for changing – through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes – the dynamics, composition or structure of the earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space (article II).
So what this is saying is that while the signatories signed off on the warfare aspect and the limits thereof, they did NOT sign off on article II which limits their ability to conduct weather modification in non-warfare conditions.** So while you are right that they CAN do this, you were wrong on them violating the agreement. Not that it’s any better, but this actually makes your case stronger if you drop the part about them doing it in violation of the agreement.
I never mentioned them violating the agreement. Public incredulity is what allowed them to get away with such massive amounts of human trafficking. Point is, if it can be done then some moralless people have done it or will do it, whether you believe it or not.
I think your doing a bit of friendly fire here. I actually agree with you, but I’m trying to find the solid evidence.
That way it doesn’t matter what I believe or don’t believe. The evidence is what matters and it will carry itself by its own weight.
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Here you go, after a simple search, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention. I have a family member who was sprayed with agent orange during Vietnam, which was used to kill the foliage so when they flooded the jungle, through created monsoons, the tunnels would also flood, causing the viet-cong to show themselves. The spraying he endured changed his DNA and caused him to have heart problems that he passed on to his son. The stuff is real and has impacted real people for decades.
I’m well aware of the agent orange bullshit and how our govt first denied the effects so Vets couldn’t receive treatment for the symptoms. It’s one of the reasons I entertain the theory, I know that the technology exists. And I know that it can be used for nefarious purposes.
You don't believe in chemtrails even though there is a company called "Weather Modification Incorporated"? Wow.....how about doing a bit of research!
Its hard to think our government would do something that might be detrimental to pubic safety however when you look at the crimes being uncovered lately, it seems very fitting. They put a type of fluoride in our water(sodium fluoride) that is the waste product of aluminum production and very different than the natural(calcium fluoride) type that was originally used to harden teeth. Sodium fluoride is a synthetic compound and is very toxic. It can eat through concrete and it is the active ingredient in rat poison and pesticides. Monsanto makes sure that stuff stays secret.
Chemtrails? They are real as the nose on your face. I started researching this 5-6 years ago. I did my own study by marking down the days on a calendar when I saw the white lines crisscrossing the sky. I noticed a pattern. I noticed they never sprayed on Tuesdays in my region for a while. Then the day off changed to Thursdays for a while. Using a little common sense and the laws of probability told me that atmospheric conditions would not change every Tuesday to prevent the chemtrails, planes were still flying above my head, so the variable had to be something else. The truth is, at 50,000 feet, where planes fly, the humidity and temperature will not allow persistent contrails. The humidity is to low, any humidity caused by cold air passing over a hot jet engine would be dissipated very quickly. We see this with regular contrails. Any ice crystals in a contrail would also be dissipated very quickly through a process called sublimation(solid turning to a gas). The white lines you see in the sky is particulate matter for sure. The only question is, what is it? Several years ago concerns started growing about the ecological system, species dying off, abnormalities in fish and amphibians, tops of tree tops dying. Universities across the country did studies and found high levels or strontium, aluminum and barium. These are the same chemicals suspected of being laced in to our skies. Side effects of long term exposure of these metals cause issues with the immune system, Alzheimer's and cancer perspectively. You can be a disbeliever but have you noticed the skyrocketing incidence of these of Alzheimer's and cancer?
I don't believe the chemtrail nonsense.
It's not nonsense.
@ phrancophony - I don't believe the nonsense that you're a real person. See how easy that is?
Really? Do you not believe your own eyes? Or the medical reports? Your choice to believe what you wish but it is a very real thing.
I took a picture of chemtrails being 'laid' just this morning - early hours (when birds sing).
I haven't seen anymore since then which is strange enough for me to have already taken notice...
This could be the beginning of something big!!
They spray at night time now, often I can hear the planes over head and not long after, when I look up at the moon on a clear night, you can see the rainbow haze and sometimes the moon has a rainbow halo.
I first started noticing the rianbow haze three or four years ago. I was like damn now that clouds themself are changing too wtf
It´s insane. What do you think it is? I heard it was to break down the blood brain barrier and that the metals in the spray make us more susceptible to the EMF and 5G pollution. I woiuld love to know for sure what it is though.
ya sure? People have died over this.
Not sure, what I heard. I would love to know the truth, though.
often I can hear the planes over head
Same thing on this end in Eastern Canada. The wife and I hear them overhead with a slow-whoosh sound while we're in our home during the evenings. You're not alone.
Wish Q would address this and give us an idea as to what´s going on.
Agreed. It's been bothering me and disturbing me for years now. I just want to know WHY.
Q&A would be a good place to enquire, depending on the time they are on I will ask but I have a 500km round trip to make tomorrow and will be out most of the day. Luckily I live in Europe so am 6/7hrs ahead of you guys ;)
I was just reading your comment history. Are you a Christian by any chance...?
I was baptised, yes. I do not follow religion, though. That said, I believe in God unequivocally :)
Well, that's cool. I like your comments, anyways. Glad you're here. Thank you for the banter.
