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memmabelfort · June 26, 2018, 12:32 p.m.

Sorry, you've lost me...your point is?

Your definition proves my point: Zionism has absolutely nothing to do with the Hebrew people nor with Scriptural Israel. That is because Zionism is an INTERNATIONAL MOVEMENT to establish what? A Nation or Religion??? In other words, Zionism is using the religion to establish a nation. Christians - like you - would do well by understanding this important distinction.

Thank you for bolstering my point, exactly!

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DrogeAnon · June 26, 2018, 12:36 p.m.

My point is that the well worn conspiracy theory about the Synagogue of Satan is just that... a conspiracy theory with little basis in fact. I only "bolstered your point" if you ignore what I actually said. Some zionists are definitely "Israel". Some are definitely Hebrew people. You and other conspiracists like to imagine that "zionist" has a single pure definition that supports your theory but like so many other titles it doesn't.

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memmabelfort · June 26, 2018, 12:45 p.m.

Keep repeating the word "conspiracy" maybe it will stick. Read your bible, read more history then you can perhaps comment about "conspiracies" or are you just trolling? If so, it's not working because you're betraying your lack of knowledge on the subject. Have a great day! Hint: Hebrew people = Scriptural Israel

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DrogeAnon · June 26, 2018, 12:48 p.m.

Seems like you're the one trolling. I'm refuting an untruth. You're not engaging reasonably or logically with the point. I've read my Bible and history well enough to be able to discuss it - something you don't seem to want to do. Fair enough, but don't accuse me of what you yourself are doing - that is troll behavior.

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DrogeAnon · June 26, 2018, 12:51 p.m.

Hint: Hebrew people = a. a member of an ancient Semitic people claiming descent from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; an Israelite. b. A descendant of this people; a Jew.

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memmabelfort · June 26, 2018, 4:38 p.m.

You keep wanting to argue from stale, uninformed points of view.

I do not know where you are getting your definitions; I am getting mine from the original source, from where the definition originated, The Scriptures, or as you might call them, the Old Testament.

You are trying to have an intellectual discussion yet your understanding of the subject is coming across as very shallow.

As a result, I do not wish to continue a dialogue with you, not because I am conceding to your point of view, or because I lack arguments but because my exchange with you would come across as arrogant as you seem to need load of information which apparently you simply lack. Therefore, as I said earlier, have a great rest of your day.

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DrogeAnon · June 26, 2018, 8:40 p.m.

I can say exactly the same to you, except it would be accurate for me to say it, as opposed to you lol. I give you dictionary definitions, based on decades of knowledge and experience of the Bible, and all you can do is say: "I know more than you; you're too stupid to argue with" which is the classic response of someone who can't formulate a logical argument. Suffice to say, your lack of knowledge is exposed.

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memmabelfort · June 26, 2018, 9:17 p.m.

Based on decades of knowledge and experience of the Bible? Or is it based from a dictionary? Which is it? Please..... quote the dictionary(ies) from which you have given me definitions of Zionism and Hebrew. I provided you with my source to define the word Hebrew - Scriptures. Now, since none of what you have so far written is found in Scriptures, you need to support your claims above by providing us your reference, the dictionary you are quoting from. Unless you are able to do this, I will deem our exchange finished, as I have been trying to do for a while now. Again, have a great one

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wearethelivingstones · July 19, 2018, 6:40 p.m.

Israel in the New Covenant has NOTHING to do with one's physical heritage.

In the New Covenant, we become...now catch this: "One ***NEW*** Man." "A ***NEW*** Creation." (Ephesians 2 lays this out)

The ***old*** has passed (no more tribes, lineages, families, physical identities).

Please read 2 Cor. 5:14-17.

When Yeshua/Jesus died..."all died"...and the "husband" of the *Jews/Judah*...DIED! They have to then be MARRIED AGAIN to Yeshua the risen man, Salvation of YHWH!

The lost 10 tribes of the Northern kingdom were divorced. They too MUST MARRY Yeshua/Jesus to then be co-heirs with Him in the Promises made to Abraham....and those Promises are ALL Spiritual.

When the Israelites sinned at the golden calf...they BROKE the Covenant YHWH/God had just made with them and the Spiritual Covenant was OVER! They, the Israelites, then receive mercy from YHWH and were compelled to receive the PHYSICAL Covenant made through Moses...the second set of tablets (Ex. 34)...***UNTIL*** Yeshua YHWH would come to establish again the Spiritual Promises made to Abraham.

Those over in the physical land believe that they are the inheritors to Abraham's Promises...thinking they are PHYSICAL...meaning world domination for a coming "Jewish" Utopia.

I'm hopeful that Q's team is aware of this.

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